Mr. Scot

I think Jake is great, but yes he still works for the team. That tells me he can't say anything too substantial.

No, he didn't.

It might actually happen, though is personally prefer to keep Adrian Wilson, Samit Suleiman and maybe a few others. But I feel like that decision needs to be left up to the new GM, not Tepper.

Agree that's kinda goofy

Can't sign on to that, but I understand it. As far as the GM specifically though... What the Panthers currently have right now is a level of dysfunction that's as high as it's ever been. I'd not seen evidence that Fitterer was part of that problem...till this year. As far as personnel, I still don't feel like he can be judged fairly given the interference of both Rhule and Tepper, but that doesn't matter anymore. Whether he could have helped build a winning roster is no longer relevant. He helped backstab his head coach. You can't keep him after that.

Correct, which is why (despite the personality issues) Gettleman is still the best GM we've had. Highlighting Marty making good draft picks while still building losing teams is like pointing to great plays made in a lost game. Yeah, cool play...but we still lost. And again, Marty gave us Rhule.

And your choice to make things personal rather than factual, as usual, is noted

There was a rumor years ago that Joe Horn had slept with Willie Roaf's wife. Today there was a tweet saying Horn had actually fathered a child with one of his teammates wives but didn't mention the name. True? Don't know.

Couple factual points here... Gamble was a trade up pick after the Super Bowl season. No issues with him. Beason was taken after a trade down. The Jets traded up to our spot (#14). We got Beason. They got Darrelle Revis. Which of those two would you call "generational"? With Williams, we got lucky. Our draft board that year had Laurence Maroney as the top runningback, but the Patriots took him before we had the chance (basically saved us feom ourselves). It wasn't too long after that that Marty started trading away future first rounders and using our next top picks on guys like Everette Brown and Armanti Edwards. Shocking he's not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as an executive, I know

I wouldn't call Round 2 a "late round". And giving the generational tag to anybody except Newton and Kucehly would be...generous. Hell, outside of Newton, every single draft pick in 2011 was pretty much a bust.

I mean the weigh in thing was pretty obvious. If you ignored that, it was probably because you chose to or just didn't feel like it mattered.

I came out of ten years of football with my fair share of injuries. Then I decided to try martial arts because there were body parts I hadn't hurt yet

Worth noting that Young technically had two quarterback coaches; Josh McCown and Passing Game Coordinator Parks Frazier. Wasn't really a fan of that, but I'm not sure it was meant to be that way from the beginning.

I know I squatted 350 plus regularly back in high school. These days if I squat, I have trouble standing back up

Technically that definition would put Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Joe Montana and others in the "game manager" category, but as Warner points out that really shouldn't be considered a slight. I think a lot of West Coast guys get that label. I know two of the guys Newton named are in Shanahan style systems.

One response I saw was that Newton never had back to back winning seasons while Prescott's never had a losing season. I'd call that more of an organizatioal thing. It is also true though that Prescott still has a chance to change that,

I'm sure there's plenty of crap we haven't heard yet.

I know he's said that he expects Tepper to go after Belichick. Don't know if he's in favor of it or not though.

Cowherd and Bayless don't get backlash because they regularly say stupid sh-t, so it's kind of expected. As far as Newton, some of those clapbacks are coming from teammates of the guys he mentioned. Ya gotta expect that.

Kurt Warner had a pretty good response to that...

By certain other fanbases too... I will say I think he's wrong about Dak Prescott not being a difference maker. Not so sure that applies to Jared Goff either. Tua and Purdy though? There's an argument there.

I've only seen snippets of this so far. Probably won't get to see the whole thing till tomorrow, but I do intend to see it all.

That's probably true right now as well

Ownership. Richardson believed in Hurney. Hell, he even fired a guy with a much better record so he could bring him back. Tepper waited too long to fire Hurney then forced his next hire to work under Rhule.

Hurney was here a lot longer and did over a decade worth of damage. I'd add that hitting on first rounders is a lot easier when the sh-tty roster you built last year keeps getting you high draft picks. He also had no accountability. It was well known that he was GM for life as long as Richardson was in charge. If not for the jeans day scandal he'd likely have been here right up till Richardson passed. One of the biggest things you have to remember though is he was a big part of why we ended up with Matt Rhule. The immense damage Rhule did is partially Hurney's fault, and that tips the scales for me.