Mr. Scot

See above Besides the "Young or nobody" stories, You've got the added drama of Caserio rumored to be on the way out. (he denies it, but of course he would) If that's true, he could definitely be looking to make a big splash on his way out the door.

Always. And if the stories that the Texans are so high on Young and nobody else that they won't take a quarterback at #2 are true, I'd start off by asking for the moon

Like Manning and Leaf, though if that's how it turns out I hope we get the "Manning" of this draft. It is, of course, possible that both guys will turn out to be great quarterbacks. It feels like very few of the debates even acknowledge that as a possibility.

If we keep #1 and that pick turns out bad, we live in "eternal regret". Making a bad pick is an equal problem no matter where it's made.

If they countered with an offer where they keep #33 but give us next year's first, would you take it?

I don't know if I'd go so far as calling it a mistake, but the idea does scare the life out of me. Said before that if we do this, I'm gonna be crossing myself every time Young takes a hit... and I'm not Catholic.

Joe Person covered the rationale on both sides in a recent Q&A, though he was talking about Anthony Richardson as the target. So why would the Panthers trade away Moore and four high picks to get in position for an “ideal” quarterback just to trade the top pick and take a quarterback many consider a project? They probably wouldn’t … unless Houston was so smitten with Young that Nick Caserio offered Fitterer a chance to recoup some of the picks he traded to Chicago (plus more) be in a spot to draft Richardson, considered the QB with the lowest floor but the highest ceiling. Link Stroud, of course, would not be a "project" at all.

Agree completely. Hell, I'd ask for 12, 33 and next year's first. I might not get 'em but I'd ask

Absolutely. I know some fans of Bryce Young find such talk to be anathema, but they really shouldn't. Even if you think Young is better, it's kind of silly to deny just how good CJ Stroud is.

Didn't notice that but I fixed it here Verderame's next paragraph was about Anthony Richardson (he had the Lions trading up and taking him) so I'm guessing you screwed up his cut and paste. As to "settling" though, It's all about how the Panthers view them. If they do see Stroud as equal to Young, then a trade down to gain extra picks while still getting a franchise quarterback makes plenty of sense. (though not the one proposed here)

Orlovsky agrees...

Using the draft points chart, SI's Matt Verderame proposes one here... The text: Houston Texans: Bryce Young, QB, Alabama NEW TRADE: Panthers trade No. 1 (3,000), No. 114 (66) and No. 145 (33) to Texans for No. 2 (2,600), No. 65 (265) and No. 73 (225) In real life, the Panthers already traded up with the Bears for the top pick. If there are two players they feel comfortable with (probably both quarterbacks) they can move back, add a couple more early-round picks and still get a franchise player. For the Texans, giving up a pair of third-round picks while ensuring they land their top target in Young is good business. Additionally, to make the math work, the Texans are also receiving a pair of Day 3 choices in return. While C.J. Stroud is a top prospect, Young is more polished, highlighted by having won both the Heisman and the AP College Football Player of the Year in 2021. ... Carolina Panthers: C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State TRADE NOTED ABOVE: Texans trade No. 2 (2,600), No. 65 (265) and No. 73 (225) to Panthers for No. 1 (3,000), No. 114 (66) and No. 145 (33) If the Panthers don’t value Young more than Stroud, this would be an easy decision. Carolina can pick up two third-round picks and still land the Ohio State product, who can pair with coach Frank Reich to be the power couple in Charlotte for years to come. Considering the offseason additions of running back Miles Sanders and receiver Adam Thielen, the Panthers would be an intriguing bet for the NFC South title. ... So for Verderame, a couple of third rounders gained with us giving up a few later picks as well is enough to justify this scenario; conditional of course on the idea that we view CJ Stroud as an equally good pick to Bryce Young. Yeah Setting aside whether or not you like the idea of trading down at all (I know some hate it) if it were to happen I'd sure hope we ask for a lot more in return than just what's proposed here. The points might add up, but I'm not so sure the real world value does.

That this thread could be considered "a break from insanity" tells you a lot about what some of the other posts have been like lately.

Full context of the story can be read here:

Well that's some bullsh-t. Damn

How'd that work out for Newton? Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning all had long, very successful careers. None of them were athletic freaks. Brain power, passing accuracy and processing ability will take you much further in the NFL than athleticism. It's a cool thing to have, but it's nowhere near as important as the other stuff.

We can overlook it in favor of a greater skill set. In fact, we should.

Kaye also thinks a 2nd is too high for Lance.

They didn't ban you when Rhule was fired

I love demotivation posters

I actually thought he'd already visited but I couldn't remember for sure.

More like change for the sake of concerts and cash.

Not directly but his public comments made it extremely difficult to keep him around.

Ours isn't the only bad field, though. NFLPA is reportedly ramping up efforts to push for better field conditions around the league.