Mr. Scot

Ron fixation...yeah I'm not the one trying (unsuccessfully) to argue that Rivera could be trusted to develop a young quarterback.

Everybody's fault but...the head coach's

Sound familiar?

So maybe Saleh had a point...

More about Byrd...

Meanwhile...

Rivera was given total control when he took the job. Look it up. And yes, I'd say Belichick was carried by Brady. That doesn't make Rivera a better coach though, especially since he was carried as well (already pointed out by someone else). That's not the only place where you're short circuiting your own argument though... You say Ron isn't winning because of talent, but not only do good coaches maximize talent, but Ron is in charge of the talent. Hell, he even pushed out a rising star in the front office in favor of his own guy.

Except all of Ron's winning seasons came with one GM, and then once he got a GM that was more willing to do things his way, he didn't have anymore. Now he's got full control and brought over the same GM he had for the majority of his time here in a high level personnel role. How's that going?

Not as stupid as it would be to leave a rookie quarterback's development in the hands of Ron Rivera. That's especially true when we're not talking about a smallish quarterback whose durability is a concern vs a huge physical freak like Newton.

Pretty much. I'd add that saying we had one great season, a couple of good ones and a bunch of mediocre ones in Newton's Panthers tenure isn't "Cam slander". Nor is it "Ron slander". It's fact. The same applies to Luke Kuechly, Greg Olsen and a bunch of other good players. Only the total number of seasons is different. The common denominator? Ron Rivera.

If you want to go by math, remember George Seifert had the best win-oss record in history. How'd that turn out?

I don't think it's that hard to do better than Ron either...as long as you don't hire Matt Rhule.

They said you get older and wiser. I mistakenly heard "older and wider" so that's where I'm at

You've definitely "mixed it up" in this thread. You're also wrong about Andy Reid. He's made average quarterbacks look great. Probably wrong about Pete Carroll too given how Russell Wilson is looking without him. But you're most wrong about Ron Rivera being able to develop anybody. All correct...

He's kind of a douche

Think he wanted more money than we were offering here. Probably also worth noting that his running style isn't one that has a huge amount of longevity in the NFL.

Maybe he needs a wider ass

We've shown willingness to sign "wrong side of 30" players to short-term contracts. (our most recent edge rushing addition, for example)

Hate it for the guy...

Wasn't one of Rhule's few victories over the Jets?

Smart...

Would still rather being in a guard...

More about making the Jets look good (as others have mentioned already)

Three winning seasons out of eleven, none of them back to back, and the most successful of which ended in a humiliating defeat that we pretty much never recovered from. I don't call that "working". Maybe if someone like Norv Turner had been there at the beginning, we could have had more success. But by the time Norv got here the damage was already done.

That's probably deliberate.