Mr. Scot

If you want to go by math, remember George Seifert had the best win-oss record in history. How'd that turn out?

I don't think it's that hard to do better than Ron either...as long as you don't hire Matt Rhule.

They said you get older and wiser. I mistakenly heard "older and wider" so that's where I'm at

You've definitely "mixed it up" in this thread. You're also wrong about Andy Reid. He's made average quarterbacks look great. Probably wrong about Pete Carroll too given how Russell Wilson is looking without him. But you're most wrong about Ron Rivera being able to develop anybody. All correct...

He's kind of a douche

Think he wanted more money than we were offering here. Probably also worth noting that his running style isn't one that has a huge amount of longevity in the NFL.

Maybe he needs a wider ass

We've shown willingness to sign "wrong side of 30" players to short-term contracts. (our most recent edge rushing addition, for example)

Hate it for the guy...

Wasn't one of Rhule's few victories over the Jets?

Smart...

Would still rather being in a guard...

More about making the Jets look good (as others have mentioned already)

Three winning seasons out of eleven, none of them back to back, and the most successful of which ended in a humiliating defeat that we pretty much never recovered from. I don't call that "working". Maybe if someone like Norv Turner had been there at the beginning, we could have had more success. But by the time Norv got here the damage was already done.

That's probably deliberate.

Nope.

Nah. Reality still applies You're correct on one thing though. Most coaches aren't going to implement a college scheme for their quarterback... because it doesn't work at the pro level. That's why we had one great season, a couple of good ones and a bunch of mediocre ones. What you're praising Rivera for is the reason why he failed.

Cam did have one great season as far as wins, a couple of good ones and several mediocre ones. Statistically he had several good seasons, but stats don't win games. That's why wins and losses aren't a quarterback stat. They're a team stat, and a coaching stat. As to the argument that other coaches wouldn't have done a better job with Newton...yeah, good luck with that one (Andy Reid says hi)

If trusting Ron Rivera to develop a young quarterback is a point you really want to defend, you're behind the eight ball to begin with. That said, you've admitted freely that you like defending unpopular points just for sh-ts and giggles. I'm pretty sure that's what you're doing here, because this one's pretty far out there As to what I think Ron would do, he'd do what he always does and hire the wrong guy for the job. His staffing choices tended to be just as bad as his roster/death chart choices, if not worse.

I know you did. That's why you lost.

Yeah...at this point you're just bullsh-tting.

Do you measure a great season by stats or wins? Newton certainly had great statistical seasons, but in the context of coaching discussion, team wins are what matter.

Disagree with Miller's characterization here, but getting back to the heart of things, the question was which coaching staff is better. We've had plenty of discussion regarding Newton, but I haven't seen anything about how Rivera would develop Young. Is that really something you'd want him entrusted with?

I've been talking about the offense overall under Rivera. The 2015 edition was the best of that, but it didn't last beyond that season. The "one game" where it got figured out was technically two since Atlanta did it first, but the Super Bowl arguably had more impact.

Technically it was what Mike Shula was doing, and it really only took one game. Hell, even 2015 wasn't as good as people reminisce it was. The formula that year was basically to build a lead in the first half then pray like hell we didn't lose it by game's end because our coaching staff had no idea how to make adjustments. By the following season, we couldn't even do that. That didn't change till Nov arrived, but again...too late.