Mr. Scot

Got a link or do I need to take your word for it?

He did more than tweet... http://blackandbluereview.com/dave-gettleman-intriguing-comments/ So, you have a better source than Voth?

People keep talking about Jerry Richardson... Do people just not know that Dave Gettleman exists?

Paid 13 million to do nothing... Where do I go to get 'punished' like that?

It's almost as if we have a different GM running the team now. Wow. When did that happen?

As difficult is this may be for you to comprehend, a GM is not judged on whether or not he signs your favorite players. Back to back playoffs for the first time ever, a steadily improving cap situation, two good drafts in a row, one of which produced the best rookie class this team has ever seen, a team on the rise and our first playoff win since 2005...These things are what you call "continuing to suck". That tells me clearly you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. And if you're going to give a rebuttal, at least attempt to bring something factual to the argument, something more intellectual than "he's fat and he sucks". I know I'm asking a lot, but you could at least try.

I'm not talking about generic reports like 'oh, they're in talks'. Do you know of specific reports of their meeting after the tag was applied?

That's too much to ask

Did they ever actually negotiate? 'Official position' is basically the public stance. It doesn't always line up with what actually is happening. It would have been pretty foolish to publicly state that it was a one year rental at the time.

So, division titles and playoff appearances every year then... Cool

Apparently not.

Would be...except they're not. The entire defense doesn't rise or fall on the presence of Greg Hardy. Not per Bill Voth. Voth said they tagged him as a one year rental. They never intended to sign him to a long term deal (too much risk).

I'd say this does. That's an aerial view of the line of people waiting to return their Ray Rice jerseys. Guessing the OP forgot about that part.

Some other team throws a load of money at him.

Not happening. Never was, even without the court case.

It's irrelevant to the Panthers since he won't be playing here anymore.

It's not happening. Enjoy watching him play elsewhere next year.

I love how dramatic people are getting about watching their team lose games. Let's see: Adrian Peterson's kid was beaten till he bled. Ray Rice's wife was knocked out and dragged by the man who's supposed to protect her. And of course there's the other victims of domestic violence, rape, etc. whose lives are changed forever, a lot of it with the whole world watching and even some people saying they deserved it, faked it, whatever. And of course there's Rae Carruth's kid and the life he leads. But hey, all of that's small potatoes. I had to watch my team lose a game THAT I PAID TO SEE!!! Wow. What a terrible thing for someone to have to endure I'm amazed at the courage you guys have shown in the face of this adversity. Stay strong. You're an example to all of us

Reminds me of two things I really wish more fans would catch on to. Number One: The decision on this isn't being made by Jerry Richardson. It's being made by Dave Gettleman. Jerry Richardson's role is simply tacit approval / non-interference. As I've said many times, anyone who wants to question that should take a moment and answer what color jersey Steve Smith is wearing these days. Number Two: It isn't an image decision. It's a business decision. Here's a challenge. Go to a bookie and bet ten thousand dollars of your own money that Greg Hardy will stay completely out of trouble for the next five years. Don't have ten thousand to bet? Put up your car, or your house, or something else of value. You comfortable with that? Well, the Panthers would be wagering a whole lot more than ten thousand on that bet if they offer Hardy a big contract. And please don't give me the "he'll play for less" argument. He reportedly turned down a more than fair 8 million per year contract before he was franchised. It's delusional to think he'll actually play for cheap given his past actions. And let's be clear: Ron Rivera wants him back. He's made it plain in many things he's said, but it's not his decision. Given Rivera's track record when it comes to personnel decisions, that's probably a good thing.

Hardy's very good. i don't know that I'd go with 'elite' though. J J Watt is elite. Hardy's not on that level. But here's the thing: People in this thread are assuming that the defense will automatically not be as good without Hardy. That's not actually the case. It's still a team sport, and just because you're less talented at one of eleven positions doesn't automatically mean the unit as a whole is worse. You have to look at the big picture.

They've got a whole offseason to figure that out.

I'm guessing the Colts also somehow faked the video of the Patriots employee taking the balls somewhere where he wasn't supposed to. Pretty diabolical plan, huh?

Financial in the sense they don't want to find a significant portion of their money wasted...again. You throw a lot of money at a player, you want to be confident he's going to be reliable and trustworthy enough to actually earn that salary. I don't think the Panthers trust that Hardy can keep himself out of trouble.

You're clearly not beating your head against that wall hard enough.

Shame we cut Rae Carruth, huh? I mean, he could have helped us win games. That's all that really matters, right?