Mr. Scot

I have no hate for him whatsoever. By all accounts he's a great guy. He's just a terrible quarterback.

Said it before: I think Kelly's ego is such that he believes he can even make a pro QB out of Teb0w.

You're kidding

Looks like former Cards safety Adrian Wilson is retiring.

This forum is very capable of arguing over quarterbacks, so much so that we can even argue vehemently over someone else's quarterback.

Every player has ups and downs, Cam, Luke and all other current Panthers included. Jake lost a lot after his surgery. Thought he'd gotten it back in 08. but it didn't happen. Cest la vie. DeAngelo Williams was a prime example. He did a lot of good for this team even though he declined in recent years. Calling him 'trash' would be equally off base. Likewise, Jake was part of some of the best moments this franchise ever had. The win against the Jags, X-Clown, heck that whole magic season, and he played lights out in the playoffs and the Super Bowl. You have to put it all in perspective. Yeah, there were rough times, but there was plenty of good too. That's not 'trash'.

The notion that a guy's performance is "90% luck" is just ridiculous. Throw in that one of Jake's best statistical years (maybe the best, I forget) was the year Smitty was out all season. Jake may not have been elite, but calling him 'trash' is just flat out ignorant. We don't make the Super Bowl in 03 or the NFCS in 05 without Delhomme playing like he did.

That was an unforgivably dumbass play call.

Ghost Rider?

I'll be happy when it's done, one way or another. Still won't surprise me if him signing elsewhere ignites the idiot fringe into screaming doom and gloom.

There was word that the Ravens were interested a while back.

I missed who said that, but yeah, that's never happened.

I was wondering if anyone was going to bring up the system comparison. For whatever you think of Wilson, it's pretty well known that West Coast type systems always inflate a quarterback's stats. That's why you have guys who look like world beaters in Philadelphia suddenly look like egg beaters when they go somewhere else.

To be fair, you do have to consider that Mike Martz was running the Bears offense at the time. Martz never knew what to do with Olsen.

At least it's not on the inside...

You heard right. Combine medical rechecks are this weekend.

Shall we revive the old "great but injury prone vs good but healthy" debate again?

I can tell you there are at least a few people on here who think Gordon will be a better pro back than Gurley. At least one who thinks he's a better fit for our system...

Panthers First Round Pick could be an RB not named Gurley

To be fair, i'd bet you do too

Oh cool. Roundup is on sale.

Crabtree's biggest problem is that he's one of those guys who thinks he's a lot better than he actually is.

He'd have been a backup MLB here, but he doesn't play special teams that I know of. Trusnik is cheaper and makes more sense.

If Tillman can return to his prior form, then I'd say we definitely got the better player.

Spikes would have made more sense if we hadn't already signed Trusnik. As to Crabtree, good. Never wanted him here.