Mr. Scot

That's actually not bad. Only negative is "Predator" reminds me of Stanley McClover. Given that Newton has a penchant for nicknaming everybody, I imagine he'll come up with his own.

Fixing the OL and improving the runningback stable could be part of that too.

Dude, nobody's "censoring" anybody. Nobody but the mods and admins even has the power to do so. You're just in a position where a lot of people happen to disagree with you. I've been there too. Sometimes you're right. Sometimes you're wrong. Regarding Shaq, it's posted in another thread that a Dallas guy said they were prepared to take him two spots below us, so there it looks like you're wrong.

It's all in how you frame it. "We have to draft big guys because Cam is a lousy passer" is a little silly. "We draft guys with a large catch radius because Newton can sometimes be a little off" is more accurate. Reality is in today's NFL there aren't that many guys like Brees and Rodgers who can 'thread a needle' with their passes. There are way more 'general vicinity' passers who alternate between perfect lasers, slightly off target balls and occasional 'what the hell' passes. Frankly, you could make a pretty good argument that that's the norm right now. That being the case, you can go with super speedsters who are more likely to get open, or big guys with a large catch radius and enough power to fight for the ball. We've mostly gone the second route. The Packers regularly did the same sort of things with Favre. That's not an insult. It's awareness (and it's smart strategy).

The difference is one has proven it where the other has no real accountability. You're free to disagree, but everyone else is also free to disagree with you, and that includes pointing out flaws in your thinking. People do the same to me. It's part of the discussion process. As far as that goes, some people have demonstrated knowledge while others have demonstrated a lack of it. My mode of response to someone is generally based on that established pattern (if there is one; some people are unknowns). Disagreeing with me doesn't make someone dumb, but yes sometimes even smart people make dumb arguments. Heck, I've looked at past posts of my own and said "What was I thinking?" Sometimes you just have to say "I was wrong" because sometimes you are. We all are. If you keep stubbornly defending a judgement on a player / coach / executive that's been shown to be incorrect, all you do is look worse. And it's not automatically a 'circle jerk' just because a lot of people happen to disagree with you.

That was Daryl, dude. Not a big nickname guy, but I like this line that Voth retweeted. John Darabos @jwdarabos · 11h 11 hours ago @Panthers @BlackBlueReview , What's 12' 9" tall and weighs 472 pounds? Delvin Funjamin. @kelvinbenjamin @D_FUNCH

The Panthers care about game speed, not timed speed.

Thirty years ago. Since then, he's worked his way up from scouting intern to scout to personnel guy to general manager. In the process he's been part of six Super Bowl teams, three world champions, and the best two season stretch our team has ever had. Not to mention he was one of the authors of the game plan that the Giants used to beat the up-to-then undefeated Patriots in the big game. Comparing that to random internet guy is just ludicrous. Come on, man. You're smarter than this! You're perfectly free not to like the pick or the trade, but some of the arguments you're using to justify it are just terrible.

I liked him as the president in 'Independence Day'. Wait... There's a hidden bit of insight into Gettleman's philosophy in that statement. The fact that this was a concern tells you that he expects and wants all of his draft picks to make the roster. That's a lot of confidence in - and importance placed on - the right picks.

Realistic expectations? In this forum?

You say you're not talking about the analysts, and then you cite them as part of your argument. Smooth. The point I'm making - that you're not getting - is that you have no clue where anyone had these players rated. And the only people you can cite to support your argument are media guys whose opinion is their own. Guys who actual team people, by the way, commonly use to spread misinformation. You've got nothing to back up your argument, dude.

And with Round Three over, all still available.

Very few who? Media guys, right? It'd have to be since you have no clue where any of the other actual teams had him rated. Your argument is based on the words of guys whose opinion means nothing.

It actually doesn't even qualify as rumor since Gross himself made statements in his retirement presser that debunked that whole notion.

If I'm an NFL GM, I have a group of paid, professional talent evaluators on my staff. These are men whose job is to do nothing but scout college players, and they have many years experience doing it. I also have direct contact with the prospects themselves as well as their head coaches and position coaches if I wish. And of course, I've watched many of them at the Combine and the Senior Bowl (including practices). By the time the draft rolls around, I'll have consulted heavily with both my professional talent evaluators and my team's coaching staff so that I know what they want and need. I'll also have done extensive scouting on opponents' strengths, weaknesses and tendencies (including in the Draft). And all the people who did the work will be gathered together with me when the time comes to make the picks. Given that as an NFL GM, I have all these people and resources at my disposal, you'll have to pardon me if I don't give a flying rip what Mel Kiper and Todd McShay think.

Media guys who aren't part of an NFL scouting department and make mistakes on an annual basis? I absolutely can ignore those guys, and should.

Saints go QB

The trade was completed before DGB was picked.

Tharrold Simon isn't that good

Saints wanted him as their Jimmy Graham replacement. So we screwed over the Saints

Our complainant was still wrong. We only gave up two picks. I won't be the least bit surprised if we trade back into the third.

Nah. I read the trade wrong

Flunked first grade math, I see? We gave them our sixth rounder and swapped spots in the third.

Fixed.

Twin tower receivers.