Mr. Scot

Lady Cowboy Fan has some pretty bad back issues. I had some minor issues when I was young but haven't for several years. Got a frozen shoulder though

Everybody knows who the Jets are taking. Everybody knows who the Jaguars are taking.

To be fair, this board was capable of totally devolving conversations long before the virus hit.

I have to admit that's one thing I question. You have the third pick and pretty much everybody knows who's going one and two. What the hell is the point of smokescreening from that position?

Back pain is a b-tch for football players, or pretty much any athlete for that matter. That's what ended Charles Haley's career, as I recall.

A looooot of mocks I've seen have us taking Richie Grant in the second. I'd be totally on board with that.

I saw one that had Penei Sewell dropping to us, but we traded the pick to the Chargers so they could take Sewell. We took Rashawn Slater in their spot. That one was sh-t. Looking at this one though, you could definitely make an argument that it's worse. I mean, at least in the other one we got Slater.

Good Lord, no.

This is kind of important. Outside of what we get from Verge, pretty much everything that we get comes from media analysts. Granted, some of them have inside sources (Albert Breer is pretty good on that front) but teams are very protective of their draft boards and bullsh-t flows freely. We're all speculating. Nobody really knows.

Count me among the guys trying to figure out how we got three halves

You forget where you're posting? I don't give a flaming rat's ass what color a guy's skin is. I do have a preference for quarterbacks whose primary characteristics are more mental than physical (accuracy, decision making, ability to read defenses, etc). There may be a perception that those characteristics are more inclined to one race over the other, but there shouldn't be. Heck, one of the prime examples of that would be our own starting quarterback last year.

Whether it should be or not, his age is a big deal. So is his opting out. It's valid to question how good he could have been with another college season under his belt.

Truth is none of us have any idea what the Panthers draft board looks like. Whatever it is though, I'm hoping they stick to it. One of the complaints that's been reported about the Eagles draft rooms is that they'd have a draft board set, and then when their pick came, Howie Roseman would just go rogue. (some have theorized that he was actually covering for Jeffrey Lurie, and that's a legitimate possibility)

I don't get a lot of agreement on this, but I still think Carr could have been good if the Texans hadn't given him such lousy protection and sh-tty coaching. For the first two years, they didn't even teach him to frigging read defenses. They just told him to throw to a spot.

I'm not a fan of Jones, and when he started getting mocked to the Panthers I tried to think of ways I could get on board with it, but I just couldn't. I'll grant that he's superintelligent and is said to be able to fully grasp complex systems. That's cool. I still don't know that he'll be a great player though. If I were making a prediction, it'd probably be that he'll be one of those marginal players who later turns into a good coach.

Double post

The seasons that Matt Rhule referred to as his "junior and senior years" which tells me that while he may not be a rookie, that's how the team sees him (and frankly how I think they should). The good part is that he doesn't have to adjust to the speed of the NFL game like an actual rookie might.

I've said before that I think college systems these days make it much harder to evaluate quarterbacks than it used to be. Same with receivers, honestly. Seems like hardly anybody uses a full route tree anymore.

Disagree, but you already know that. I said previously that I had questions about every quarterback in this draft class not named Lawrence, but truth be told I actually have questions about Lawrence too. He's talked about like a quarterbacking god, yet every time I've sat down to watch a game he's played in, I just haven't seen it. I'd never say he isn't good. He just doesn't seem to fit the description I hear. Granted, it's possible that no one could. Maybe I'm just not seeing his best games. I don't know.

That's a bigger discussion than this topic, honestly. Common saying for the draft is "BPA, except quarterback", but practically speaking, need always factors in there. It's just a matter of how much.

Since we've brought up the topic, what is it that's primarily bringing him down? Is it the poor performances that he had in a couple of games late last year, the perception that he might not be as pro ready as others or something else? I've seen different opinions, but there doesn't really seem to be a consensus.

I don't want us to draft a quarterback, but I actually agree regarding the notion that Fields is sliding. He was 1a with Lawrence forever. Granted, he had a couple of bad performances in big games and might be a tad inconsistent, but it's also true that nobody is a finished product right now. Hell, Lawrence had some lackluster performances too.

Or pick someone else...

I get the Wilson love. I just don't necessarily share it. His skill set is phenomenal. On the flipside though, the durability concerns about him scare the hell out of me. Part of me is glad that's not a decision we have to make.

I agree it's an unknown. Verge doesn't think we take a QB. Other analysts like Jeremy Fowler have said that a lot of the teams around the league don't believe we will either. I hope they're right, but again nobody knows.