XClown1986

For the National Championship, yes. But he also won the SEC Championship and a Heisman.

I mean... a National Championship (as a backup, I know) and a Heisman. Nothing significant.

It really is going to come down to knowing how to protect oneself when getting hit. Even 6'5 250 pound QBs like Cam had to learn how to slide and know when to run out of bounds or throw the ball away. Not doing so is asking for a shorter, injury plagued career (as we have seen). Some positions can't avoid contact, but QB is a position where it becomes a decision. Some bigger QBs can withstand hits better, but it adds up in the long run. Even now, the Bills are very aware of how much Josh Allen is getting hit and are making a conscious effort to reduce that significantly. Two types of QBs scare me in terms of getting hit: 1. QBs that can't feel the pressure approaching or have no awareness of defenders on a blitz and have no time to prepare for the hit, thus taking hits like a crash test dummy. 2. QBs that drop their shoulder on a run or roll out instead of sliding. Injuries are a part of the game, but it really has to do with decision making and play-style, moreso than size. I remember seeing Jeff Garcia take the full weight of Kris Jenkins and he rolled around on the ground in agony for a minute or so. But he got up, finished, and even won the game (I believe so... It was a while back). Some of the better QBs in the league at staying healthy, did so because they knew presnap where they wanted to put the ball, called the right protections, and got it out quickly.

Who?

I guess we do see these ideas differently. I'm looking at it from the investment aspect. They have a lot to lose with the moves made this off season, both from a financial standpoint (free agents and coaches), and from a team asset standpoint (players and draft picks). I think Rhule wanted to play it safe and therefore wasn't on the same page with Tepper. Tepper wanted to trade the farm for both Stafford and Watson. But settled for lower cost trades in Darnold and Mayfield. Maybe the other deals just fell through, but I look at how Rhule built his rosters and he always picked players he had history with or players that looked to have the least bust potential. And it didn't work out. And he clearly didn't have the same value on the QB position as the rest of the league.

Yes, but those reasons proved to be invalid. The guys that passed on Allen and Mahomes as direct result of those choices. The goal of any scout, exec, coach in the league is to trust the process, but also learn from past mistakes. And what about this offseason shows that the franchise is playing it safe? We are making some difficult and costly decisions to turn this team into a winner. Why would you then play it safe with the most important position in all of sports? These guys are swinging for the fences, not for singles or doubles. They are CLEARLY gambling. They played it safe with Rhule and it was an epic failure. So... We hired a coach that was just fired. Overspent on an experienced, talented coaching staff. Traded our #1 (and only reliable) receiver in his prime. Actually made impact signings during free agency. and traded for the #1 pick .... None of these moves are safe, by any stretch. So them going with a "prototype" (physically) quarterback would seem almost out of joint with this new direction for the team. I don't think they feel, or have felt, that they have to play it safe, at all.

What would you refer to them as?

Bryce has that immeasurable "it" factor that CJ lacks. Now I will say it isn't exactly necessary to have, but it makes a vast difference over the entire body of work in their career. This is what separates the Joe Burrows and Patrick Mahomes' from the Justin Herberts and the Jared Goffs. The 2nd two have been decent in their own right (Herbert especially), but there just seems to be something... missing that the 1st two possess. And it impacts their play and their team's play.

There is if you heard anyone talking about the QBs in each draft, but keep your head in the sand man, I'm sure that will work out for you in the end.

Ulterior motives or logical connection based on evaluation of the conversations being had? Reading comprehension is difficult. Gotcha.

Y'all Young-haters are some sad individuals. Real sad. And wrong. But also sad.

It should be Bryce Young. He is the right choice. But I'm afraid our coaching staff won't see it that way.

Then you know he sucked

The connection of Tepper wanting Young only comes from the fact that he has stated previously that he is a metrics and statistics guy. Show him the evidence broken down to make the best decision based on results. Young, when evaluated, is tops in the draft in many different important areas for a QB. So I could buy the idea that he is "hedging his bets" on the numbers. Maybe he doesn't feel that way though.

I'm not overstating it. The front office execs would be. Young? Heisman Trophy winner? Charismatic? Already doing commercials and other types of media exposure? Yeah, he would get a reaction. No one knows if he will win or lose when he is drafted. The hype would be hope and excitement. And if he fails in year one, it is explained away as rookie growing pains and needing more surrounding talent. It really isn't until year 3 that guys are put on the chopping block. That's a lot of capital to gain off of this kid's presence in the meantime. Richardson? Look at what happened after the combine. He went from MAYBE being a late 1st round pick, to possibly going number 1. He caused real excitement. People were infatuated with his athleticism. That is ALL that was (and to a degree, still is) being talked about, everywhere. The other QBs took a backseat to this guy that didn't have great statistics and wasn't a winner in college. Didn't matter. That kind of public reaction gets attention from the guys looking at the dollar sign potential.

It's Stroud. 100%. I have been banging the table for Bryce Young, and I think he will be a good QB, but after watching McCown, Simms, and O'Sullivan break down CJ's game, while also looking at the video of the Colts fan analyzing Reich's scheme, it is 100% Stroud. Everything that is problematic about Stroud's game can be protected or fixed in Reich's scheme. That may not be true in every scheme, but this is Reich's guy. And if Tepper doesn't want to damage their relationship from the jump, he will let him pick his guy. Stroud is coming to Carolina. With that being said, I think all of the chatter about the other guys IS actually happening. But not from the coaches. Remember the owner/execs like Young and Richardson, while the coaches love Stroud? Well... I think the clamor for Young or Richardson is because they would be more of a spectacle, because lets be honest, CJ Stroud doesn't show much personality on or off the field. Young and Richardson are exciting players. Tepper and the execs are looking at their bottom line. Even if it doesn't work out in the rookie year, the guy will get the fans, the NFL world, excited to watch the Panthers play. That means more media exposure, more ticket sales, more merchandise sales, etc. And if it doesn't work out with this guy? Rinse and repeat in a couple of years. If it does work out? GENIUSES! So... there is no downside to it from a business aspect. But Tepper wants to win. He has made that very clear. And Bryce Young is a winner. A clutch player. And he is a great leader (which he values, because he too aspires to that *failures and grumbles from fans aside*). So I think it's easy to connect Tepper to Young. So here what I think the truth of the matter is: CJ Stroud is going to be a Panther. That is who Reich wants, and who the coaching staff feels they can work with successfully. Tepper wants to win. He invested A LOT in the coaching staff and by okaying the cost of trading up to number 1. He wants to get this right. And he is a stats guy. By the stats... Young is the guy. Every metric you can look at says Young. But... He HAS to trust Reich's and the other coaches judgement. Why spend so much to bring in a top tier coaching staff if you can't even trust them to pick their own quarterback? So he gives his input, evaluates their responses, and ultimately leaves the decision to them. The execs/front office guys are in Tepper's ear about Richardson. After what Cam did to Charlotte? It was GREAT for business and exposure. Richardson is an elite athlete. Even if he loses, he can still make those wow plays that will fill seats, get media coverage, and keep fingers crossed. I don't think these thoughts are being listened to with much sincerity, but when voices speak, they are heard, and the game of telephone has inflated the actual interest. I actually think if we had stayed at 9, we would have missed on 2 out of the 3 aforementioned, tried to trade down to accumulate more capital, and taken either Hendon Hooker or Tanner McKee (pieces are there, and we can hide their imperfections with more surrounding talent). Sending 11-12 guys to Ohio State is not a smokescreen. It's making sure that we know EVERYTHING before turning the card in. I wouldn't be shocked if Stroud is requested to speak to each attendee, and each attendee had a different agenda for the conversation, just to make sure there are no skeletons or demons following this kid to Charlotte. This, in my opinion, is the most logical progression of what has transpired in the media. The media gets paid for creating noise. But make no mistake, they got "big handful o' nuthin" and they know it. But why not milk it for the hits? Also, the "willing to possibly trade back" talk was either a hail mary attempt to weasel a pick or two out of Houston (poorly done), OR coach speak "Sure, everything is on the table right now"... because... why wouldn't it be? The draft isn't today, so we aren't closing up shop if a deal of a lifetime comes this way. Thank you for attending my TED Talk. Please return to your normal programming of bashing other posters and posting repeated topics.

Peyton Manning threw wobblers too. Worked out fine for him. Jeff George threw some of the best looking passes at a velocity that few others could. Who? Exactly.

Player B. Clutch, great leader, excellent accuracy and touch, and doesn't crack under pressure? Yes please.

He has been offered a contract of 4m per season. He thinks he is worth 20m per. He IS a drama king. And delusional. He is a locker room killer.

It was too early for my brain to process this thread's title. Thought this was going a very different direction.

Anderson and Littleton would be my 2. Maybe Higgins.

Andy Reid also liked to have a QB to play within the system. See McNabb and Alex Smith. But he since has drafted a playmaker and improviser at QB and has won two Super Bowls.

The comparisons aren't exact. But the ARGUMENTS are very similar. Darnold struggled with pressure in his face. Stroud does too. Darnold has NFL frame for a QB in comparison to Mayfield. That is also the argument for Stroud. They aren't the same player, but once again, the ARGUMENTS for/against the player are alike.