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Yeah since leaving HBO, it has been garbage.

O'Sullivan was referring to when Bryce and CJ returned to the Elite 11 last summer to run drills. Not coming out of high school.

Or... where there is smoke there is fire, and they really do want Bryce Young. I don't think they want to risk moving down anymore. They want their guy.

I'll take Jack Campbell or Daiyan Henley at 39. I'd be on board for that.

This is great to hear. I remember one of the things that sold our coaches on Cam was the passionate halftime speech he gave to his team when they were getting their ass kicked by Alabama, then they came out afterwards, rallied, and won. It is such an important aspect of a QB. Pivotal, in fact.

Gravitating to him is fine. But he has to communicate. With his coaches and with his teammates especially. He can't leave the coaches to talk to his guys and he just "plays the game." So I would want to know more about how effective he is as a communicator and how he has managed those relationships. This is why Bryce Young is being regarded as the top guy, because there is so much evidence to support his strengths as a leader and communicator. You see it all the time and you hear it from everyone he talks to. When it is barely mentioned about Stroud, that scares me. He can't be a QB in a vacuum. He has to be a leader of men. Period. It can seem forced, disingenuous, half-assed, or a requirement. He has to WANT to lead these guys. If his team goes 3 and out, down by 14 in the waning minutes of the 3rd quarter, I want to know that he is going to pull his receivers to the side and address the issue. Schematics, problem solving, or just an ass chewing, he will have to do what is required and necessary for those moments. Same goes for him talking to his O-line and backs. He better talk to them. Every time he sees/feels something, his guys should know. And as a coach, I want to know I won't have to constantly tell him to do that, that he will do so when necessary. I am not coaching a guy to be a leader. I am coaching a guy to be a better player. You either have it or you don't. It comes down to personality.

Leadership shows itself in various forms. But BEING a leader shouldn't be in question, despite the method.

For me it will come down to personality and mentality. Will he mesh with the coaches, the team, and the community? Does he have the drive to do whatever is necessary to be great? Will he take the coaching and respond to adversity positively? Can he lead the guys in the huddle and get the best out of them? Those are important questions that need real answers, not theoretical ones. The answers should reflect the player based on the track record, interviews, research, and evidence. I trust that the team is diving deep into these guys to find that out. Hopefully they come to a conclusion that bears fruit.

I agree it is between Richardson and Young. But why do you think that Stroud, specifically, wouldn't be Frank's choice?

The team needs a franchise QB. If the guy that they see as a franchise QB is Young, they can't pass on him because he isn't taller. They will have to get him with a nutritionist and an NFL trainer to build more mass, but that can be done.

Yeah I agree with that. If the coaching staff does a full evaluation and comes back with Richardson as the top prospect to draft, then ok. But to draft him because you were only left with him as an option would be more alarming.

Yeah, I see your point. And actually Daboll may be more responsible for Allen's development anyway. Norv at least pushed Cam to play differently, and he responded. That should have happened much earlier in his career.

I thought that was more true for Mike Shula, not Dorsey. But either way, Newton not having respect for his coaches should have triggered the staff to make changes. This would be a contributor to why we didn't sustain success, I'd say.

Trey Lance seems to be lacking the mental aspects. This should have been evaluated more by the 49ers.

That would feel more accurate if the fact that his quarterback coach from 2013-2017 wasn't the same guy that developed Josh Allen and is now his offensive coordinator.

Ending with massive deep bomb followed by a cart-wheel and backflip while running down to high five his receiver. Yep. The kid has the tools and the attitude.

The decision should be narrowed to 2 quarterbacks. But not the two that are being reported. It should be down to Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson. Levis has journeyman bust written all over him and CJ Stroud is not a player you draft to elevate a team and bring the best out of other players on the roster. Bryce Young is the best QB in the draft. He possesses all of the traits you want in a QB minus the size. But you have to believe, based on his football IQ, instincts, and opportunity to work with an A+ coaching staff, that it will not be the issue it has been made out to be. Anthony Richardson should have stayed in school. But... maybe he knew that Florida wasn't going to be the place to improve himself as a QB. He has all-world talent and ability. He reportedly had the best team interviews of any top QB at the combine. He's so raw that a coaching staff can really mold this kid into something special. If this staff believes that Richardson has the goods and that he possesses everything needed to make the improvements necessary, I don't know if you pass on him. Everyone is glowing about the possibility of Richardson going to Seattle. Why? Because they made Russell Wilson a star and Geno Smith a pro-bowler. What about this staff? What IF they could do it? It would set the league aflame. And the Panthers will be a scary team for more than a decade.

Ok, that's pretty impressive. The kid has remarkable talent. No doubt about it.

For the National Championship, yes. But he also won the SEC Championship and a Heisman.

I mean... a National Championship (as a backup, I know) and a Heisman. Nothing significant.

It really is going to come down to knowing how to protect oneself when getting hit. Even 6'5 250 pound QBs like Cam had to learn how to slide and know when to run out of bounds or throw the ball away. Not doing so is asking for a shorter, injury plagued career (as we have seen). Some positions can't avoid contact, but QB is a position where it becomes a decision. Some bigger QBs can withstand hits better, but it adds up in the long run. Even now, the Bills are very aware of how much Josh Allen is getting hit and are making a conscious effort to reduce that significantly. Two types of QBs scare me in terms of getting hit: 1. QBs that can't feel the pressure approaching or have no awareness of defenders on a blitz and have no time to prepare for the hit, thus taking hits like a crash test dummy. 2. QBs that drop their shoulder on a run or roll out instead of sliding. Injuries are a part of the game, but it really has to do with decision making and play-style, moreso than size. I remember seeing Jeff Garcia take the full weight of Kris Jenkins and he rolled around on the ground in agony for a minute or so. But he got up, finished, and even won the game (I believe so... It was a while back). Some of the better QBs in the league at staying healthy, did so because they knew presnap where they wanted to put the ball, called the right protections, and got it out quickly.

Who?

I guess we do see these ideas differently. I'm looking at it from the investment aspect. They have a lot to lose with the moves made this off season, both from a financial standpoint (free agents and coaches), and from a team asset standpoint (players and draft picks). I think Rhule wanted to play it safe and therefore wasn't on the same page with Tepper. Tepper wanted to trade the farm for both Stafford and Watson. But settled for lower cost trades in Darnold and Mayfield. Maybe the other deals just fell through, but I look at how Rhule built his rosters and he always picked players he had history with or players that looked to have the least bust potential. And it didn't work out. And he clearly didn't have the same value on the QB position as the rest of the league.

Yes, but those reasons proved to be invalid. The guys that passed on Allen and Mahomes as direct result of those choices. The goal of any scout, exec, coach in the league is to trust the process, but also learn from past mistakes. And what about this offseason shows that the franchise is playing it safe? We are making some difficult and costly decisions to turn this team into a winner. Why would you then play it safe with the most important position in all of sports? These guys are swinging for the fences, not for singles or doubles. They are CLEARLY gambling. They played it safe with Rhule and it was an epic failure. So... We hired a coach that was just fired. Overspent on an experienced, talented coaching staff. Traded our #1 (and only reliable) receiver in his prime. Actually made impact signings during free agency. and traded for the #1 pick .... None of these moves are safe, by any stretch. So them going with a "prototype" (physically) quarterback would seem almost out of joint with this new direction for the team. I don't think they feel, or have felt, that they have to play it safe, at all.

What would you refer to them as?