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Bryce has that immeasurable "it" factor that CJ lacks. Now I will say it isn't exactly necessary to have, but it makes a vast difference over the entire body of work in their career. This is what separates the Joe Burrows and Patrick Mahomes' from the Justin Herberts and the Jared Goffs. The 2nd two have been decent in their own right (Herbert especially), but there just seems to be something... missing that the 1st two possess. And it impacts their play and their team's play.

There is if you heard anyone talking about the QBs in each draft, but keep your head in the sand man, I'm sure that will work out for you in the end.

Ulterior motives or logical connection based on evaluation of the conversations being had? Reading comprehension is difficult. Gotcha.

Y'all Young-haters are some sad individuals. Real sad. And wrong. But also sad.

It should be Bryce Young. He is the right choice. But I'm afraid our coaching staff won't see it that way.

Then you know he sucked

The connection of Tepper wanting Young only comes from the fact that he has stated previously that he is a metrics and statistics guy. Show him the evidence broken down to make the best decision based on results. Young, when evaluated, is tops in the draft in many different important areas for a QB. So I could buy the idea that he is "hedging his bets" on the numbers. Maybe he doesn't feel that way though.

I'm not overstating it. The front office execs would be. Young? Heisman Trophy winner? Charismatic? Already doing commercials and other types of media exposure? Yeah, he would get a reaction. No one knows if he will win or lose when he is drafted. The hype would be hope and excitement. And if he fails in year one, it is explained away as rookie growing pains and needing more surrounding talent. It really isn't until year 3 that guys are put on the chopping block. That's a lot of capital to gain off of this kid's presence in the meantime. Richardson? Look at what happened after the combine. He went from MAYBE being a late 1st round pick, to possibly going number 1. He caused real excitement. People were infatuated with his athleticism. That is ALL that was (and to a degree, still is) being talked about, everywhere. The other QBs took a backseat to this guy that didn't have great statistics and wasn't a winner in college. Didn't matter. That kind of public reaction gets attention from the guys looking at the dollar sign potential.

It's Stroud. 100%. I have been banging the table for Bryce Young, and I think he will be a good QB, but after watching McCown, Simms, and O'Sullivan break down CJ's game, while also looking at the video of the Colts fan analyzing Reich's scheme, it is 100% Stroud. Everything that is problematic about Stroud's game can be protected or fixed in Reich's scheme. That may not be true in every scheme, but this is Reich's guy. And if Tepper doesn't want to damage their relationship from the jump, he will let him pick his guy. Stroud is coming to Carolina. With that being said, I think all of the chatter about the other guys IS actually happening. But not from the coaches. Remember the owner/execs like Young and Richardson, while the coaches love Stroud? Well... I think the clamor for Young or Richardson is because they would be more of a spectacle, because lets be honest, CJ Stroud doesn't show much personality on or off the field. Young and Richardson are exciting players. Tepper and the execs are looking at their bottom line. Even if it doesn't work out in the rookie year, the guy will get the fans, the NFL world, excited to watch the Panthers play. That means more media exposure, more ticket sales, more merchandise sales, etc. And if it doesn't work out with this guy? Rinse and repeat in a couple of years. If it does work out? GENIUSES! So... there is no downside to it from a business aspect. But Tepper wants to win. He has made that very clear. And Bryce Young is a winner. A clutch player. And he is a great leader (which he values, because he too aspires to that *failures and grumbles from fans aside*). So I think it's easy to connect Tepper to Young. So here what I think the truth of the matter is: CJ Stroud is going to be a Panther. That is who Reich wants, and who the coaching staff feels they can work with successfully. Tepper wants to win. He invested A LOT in the coaching staff and by okaying the cost of trading up to number 1. He wants to get this right. And he is a stats guy. By the stats... Young is the guy. Every metric you can look at says Young. But... He HAS to trust Reich's and the other coaches judgement. Why spend so much to bring in a top tier coaching staff if you can't even trust them to pick their own quarterback? So he gives his input, evaluates their responses, and ultimately leaves the decision to them. The execs/front office guys are in Tepper's ear about Richardson. After what Cam did to Charlotte? It was GREAT for business and exposure. Richardson is an elite athlete. Even if he loses, he can still make those wow plays that will fill seats, get media coverage, and keep fingers crossed. I don't think these thoughts are being listened to with much sincerity, but when voices speak, they are heard, and the game of telephone has inflated the actual interest. I actually think if we had stayed at 9, we would have missed on 2 out of the 3 aforementioned, tried to trade down to accumulate more capital, and taken either Hendon Hooker or Tanner McKee (pieces are there, and we can hide their imperfections with more surrounding talent). Sending 11-12 guys to Ohio State is not a smokescreen. It's making sure that we know EVERYTHING before turning the card in. I wouldn't be shocked if Stroud is requested to speak to each attendee, and each attendee had a different agenda for the conversation, just to make sure there are no skeletons or demons following this kid to Charlotte. This, in my opinion, is the most logical progression of what has transpired in the media. The media gets paid for creating noise. But make no mistake, they got "big handful o' nuthin" and they know it. But why not milk it for the hits? Also, the "willing to possibly trade back" talk was either a hail mary attempt to weasel a pick or two out of Houston (poorly done), OR coach speak "Sure, everything is on the table right now"... because... why wouldn't it be? The draft isn't today, so we aren't closing up shop if a deal of a lifetime comes this way. Thank you for attending my TED Talk. Please return to your normal programming of bashing other posters and posting repeated topics.

Peyton Manning threw wobblers too. Worked out fine for him. Jeff George threw some of the best looking passes at a velocity that few others could. Who? Exactly.

Player B. Clutch, great leader, excellent accuracy and touch, and doesn't crack under pressure? Yes please.

He has been offered a contract of 4m per season. He thinks he is worth 20m per. He IS a drama king. And delusional. He is a locker room killer.

It was too early for my brain to process this thread's title. Thought this was going a very different direction.

Anderson and Littleton would be my 2. Maybe Higgins.

Andy Reid also liked to have a QB to play within the system. See McNabb and Alex Smith. But he since has drafted a playmaker and improviser at QB and has won two Super Bowls.

The comparisons aren't exact. But the ARGUMENTS are very similar. Darnold struggled with pressure in his face. Stroud does too. Darnold has NFL frame for a QB in comparison to Mayfield. That is also the argument for Stroud. They aren't the same player, but once again, the ARGUMENTS for/against the player are alike.

They are different prospects for sure, but both "see ghosts" in the pocket and are considered to be the "safest" QB in the draft. I love Bryce Young as a prospect. But his size does scare me. Honestly? I'm actually curious if the coaching staff feels they can bring the best out of Levis or Richardson. They have the most superstar potential.

For the record, I believe picking CJ Stroud would be a mistake. He has the accuracy and the numbers, but his panic in the face of pressure is going to be a real problem. He reverses his field more often than stepping up and is willing to throw off-balance if the pocket closes more quickly than he likes. Those are difficult things to change in a QB. Perhaps even impossible. A QB should play with confidence and poise. Stroud is lifeless. I want to like him because there seems to be a lot of reason to like him. But I don't. And I don't trust in his ability to be a franchise QB.

There are some odd similarities, and perhaps lessons to reflect on, when comparing the 2023 QB draft class to the 2018 QB draft class. 1st Round QBs in 2018 class (In order drafted): Baker Mayfield - Browns (1) Sam Darnold - Jets (3) Josh Allen - Bills (7) Josh Rosen - Cardinals (10) Lamar Jackson - Ravens (32) Top 6 QBs in 2023 class (In order of most common rankings) Bryce Young - Alabama CJ Stroud - Ohio State Will Levis - Kentucky Anthony Richardson - Florida Tanner McKee - Stanford Hendon Hooker - Tennessee The same arguments made about the top prospects in 2018, sound like the same arguments in the 2023 draft. Baker Mayfield and Bryce Young - Both won the Heisman, were playmakers, and had size/durability concerns. Sam Darnold and CJ Stroud - Both have been declared the "most complete" prospects in their respective classes. Touted for their consistency and flaws explained away, they seem to be the "safe" pick. Josh Allen and Will Levis - Physically stout athletes with cannon arms that underperformed in college. The classic "traits" pick. Has the frame, the arm, the mental makeup, and the potential to improve. A gamble. Josh Rosen and Tanner McKee - "Who? Why? Sure... I guess..." Lamar Jackson and Anthony Richardson - Oh boy... The uber-talented athlete that has poor footwork, inaccuracy issues, and questions about the ability to play in an NFL offense. Mason Rudolph and Hendon Hooker - Tics a lot of boxes, has some great film and some questionable film. Questions about the system/scheme inflating production. Looking back... How many people were wrong? How many people would have lost their mind if Josh Allen went number 1? How many people flipped out when Cleveland chose Mayfield over Darnold for the same reasons that people want to take Young over Stroud today? And who is stunned now to see both Mayfield and Darnold to be on their 3rd NFL team in their short careers? And how many people thought Baltimore gave up too much to get back into round 1 for a QB that had too many question marks? My point is this. There are no sure things. You watch the film, you meet the guy, and you pick with your gut. So for all of the "no-brainer" and "stupid decision" concluders out there, the truth is... We don't know. You don't know. You have to hope that the guys making the pick have the better insight to who these guys can be or will become. The arguments for and against these guys are repeated every year. And some years they are valid. Sometimes they amount to nothing. Time will tell. But before you look at a prospect and say "he's the guy," look back to this draft and ask, "should he be?"

Brees was 6'0. Young is 5'10

So we can have our choice of QB. In the long run it is about being right, not about the agreed upon value by the majority.

He is today. But in a month and a half, that may change.

Anthony Richardson has the most upside of any quarterback to come out of the draft in the last 5-10 years. Yes that includes guys like Mahomes and Josh Allen. He is THAT gifted athletically. The ONLY question is can he become a consistent passer. That's it. And if Reich and the boys feel that Richardson's flaws are fixable? Don't be shocked if he is the pick. ESPECIALLY if they are put off by anything they find in Stroud.