Harbingers

Actually it is correct. There is no evidence that by itself it does anything. Read the studies. Which means it may not be the drug doing a thing at all. It also has no effect on severe to life threatening cases.

And giving it to people it will have no effect on while endangering those who it’s actually approved for is just dumb.

I am not “grinding my ax against trump” on this. There is no evidence to suggest Chloroquine has had any effect in the way it’s being suggested, especially in severe cases. Much less being a “cure”. Where as the Japanese drug has show substantial benefit in mild to medium cases, stopping the disease from multiplying. Aka disease can’t multiply, disease dies. also, “And, more importantly, it can have dangerous side effects, as well as giving people false hope. The latter has led to widespread shortages of hydroxychloroquine for patients who need it to treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, the indications for which it was originally approved.”

There is no mitigated factual evidence that chloroquine does anything. What you and bull should be paying attention to is this Japanese drug. Remember this doesn’t stop severe(pneumonia) cases. But can be used as a treatment for the high percentage of mild cases. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china

Stop it with chloroquine. No actual study or doctor backs this up as a definitive “treatment”. In fact the CDC just scrubbed it from the website.

Note: posting this up here too cause I’m sure a few people use these companies at least. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/business/allstate-payments-coronavirus/index.html Holy poo. If your through either of these two and you’ve been home. Get you that check. Edit: Just talked to someone that goes through Allstate and the email says they are paying everyone back 15% to everyone but don’t quote me. “Two insurers -- Allstate and American Family Insurance -- announced Monday they will give back about $800 million to their auto insurance customers because people are driving far less during the coronavirus crisis. Allstate (ALL) said it will refund about 15% of premiums paid by its customers in April and May, which comes to a total of about $600 million. "Given an unprecedented decline in driving, customers will receive a Shelter-in-Place Payback," said Allstate CEO Tom Wilson "This is fair because less driving means fewer accidents."”

Continual Political talk, right or wrong = TB Facts and Crisis = this thread. That’d be my compass.

Linville’s been doing a fine job of keeping this thread civil and moderate through its history so far.

When was the last time you looked out a window?

I pity you if you think that was trumps biggest mistake in all this.

China didn’t even get around to testing the deceased until a couple weeks ago. That statistic is going to change a whole lot here.

Not just, is staying hospitalized. He went in for “tests”. Boris! Why didn’t you shake trumps hand?!? Why!!!

Do yourself a favor though and watch it on HBO to get the full episode(it’s free now apperently). Oliver is seriously starting to visibly get pissed.

That is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long while. Good job.

Could we have been and completely avoided this mess we are in right now? Yes. If we had prepared properly would this stay at home, everything is closed be in place? No. This didn’t just show up in March, China has known about this since Nov. 17th, which means we did too. Even if the US found out when it started coming out. That’s 3 months to prepare(hell almost 4 at this point). Ignoring does not equal not knowing.

That’s exactly the point though. It’s better to be over prepared, than not prepared at all. Why listen to anything China says?

“If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare” The current administration had 3 months to prepare.

It is fuging stupid how sane GWB sounds compared to this fuging travesty that is the executive branch right now. @bull123 take your party back.

I haven’t read it yet but hospitalizations/ICU cases/death counts should be the most important markers. A lot of people reading mild are sent home, those cases aren’t closed quickly at all. It took China a long ass time to update their active/closed case info even after they said they had it under control. Same here. To put that in perspective we have 307,000 total cases, 15,000 recovered, 8,000 in serious care. The last two don’t even equal the amount of cases tested positive today. Ok skimmed it. Ya, actual is way larger than what we know. Using his math at 10% serious(even though I don’t know what he considers serious, if that’s ICU or hospitalized) that’s 30,000. 184,200 are mild and projected to recover and 90,000 some who aren’t exhibiting symptoms. If severe means ICU Intubation 15,000 people are going to die according to the 50/50 chance doctors have been floating. Basing our Presumptions/predictions on the case count is misguided at best. Mild cases won’t be closed for a while even if the person recovers. Also, as it was said Korea is experiencing people recovering but exhibiting symptoms a week later. That part is concerning.

FYI: Some common colds are actually a type of coronavirus. Yep, you read that right: Common human coronaviruses—not to be confused with the novel coronavirus, or SARS-CoV-2, currently circulating—can cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold, per the CDC. In fact, the majority of people will get infected with one or more of these viruses at some point in their lives—according to Marie-Louise Landry, MD, an infectious disease expert at Yale Medicine and the director of the Yale Clinical Virology Laboratory, four common human coronaviruses cause 15-30% of common colds. (Most often, however, the common cold is caused by rhinoviruses, per the CDC). Their peak season is also winter—aka, the same time as influenza.

There has never been a “cure“ or vaccines for Corona Viruses or SARS. “Cure” is a bit of a flagrant misnomer here. Treatment beyond supportive care is what you should be looking for. Remember the “common cold” is a COVID too.

Confined spaces man. Everyone went to this church got sick, they proceeded to get everyone else sick. “As of April 1, 2020, a total of 5,162 coronavirus (COVID-19) cases were related to Shincheonji Church in South Korea, accounting for about 53 percent of all infections.”

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/sport/new-england-patriots-masks-robert-kraft-spt-intl/index.html Kraft showing Tepper and the rest of the owners up.

..... would you rather a morale killer or being dead?

The 100-125 year problems are coming around again. Pretty soon there will be a dust bowl in the south again. 100 year floods are due too.