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23 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

My question for someone more knowledgeable than me. With his juniors deal, does he have to play in the games, or just be on the roster for 9 games before we have to keep him up permanently? 
 

Also, was really curious if they were gonna go to Anderson again. Going to be interesting to see how he approaches the Nashville attack this time. 

He has to physically play. With that in mind, I would think you’d want to get him involved early because the longer you wait the less games he’ll play on his first year. That’s unless the Canes have already made the decision to essentially keep Jarvis here as the extra and let him play nine games and then regardless of how he does send him back to the OHL.

Bummed not to see Jarvis yet but I understand the whole ‘if it’s not broke don’t fix it’ idea.

After all, outside of very small portions of the game the Canes were the better team against an Islanders team that is projected to make a deep run.

2 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

How many did he give up trying to be a scorer?

I didn’t watch the whole game but he finished as a +3.

TDA finished with 2 assists and a +1.

I think these two will be linked together for the entire year.

Dougie gets his first as a Devil 17 seconds into the game. I’d be pissed of it wasn’t for TDA having a great game yesterday.

Top line KK with elite skaters in Aho and Necas is interesting.

On one hand I’m like this won’t work because he’ll always be trailing the play but on the other hand I’m like maybe he’ll get some nice chances in the slot if he’s always lagging behind.

Trocheck is currently on IR which might be why Rees is still up.

I assume Rees will stay up until Trocheck is ready to roll then head to Chicago.

I think Drury is up for good and will fill in wherever he is needed and Jarvis is on a 9 game tryout.

I would not be surprised if any of the guy put on waivers today were claimed. Lajoie and Gelinas are definitely better than some other teams 7’s. Then you have Noesen and Smith who showed that they can be solid fourth liners against NHL quality players… and obviously Leivo has the track record.

We’ll see.

Final roster moves being made.

Current Roster

Forward (15): Svech, Aho, Necas, KK, Trocheck, Turbo, Nino, Staal, Fast, Marty, Stepan, Lorentz, Jarvis, Drury, Rees

Defense (7): Slavin, Pesce, Skjei, TDA, Bear, Cole, Smith

Goalie (2): Andersen, Raanta

At least one more must go.

3 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Huh, no Marty? I guess they want to get a better look at the youngin’s? 

Definitely don’t think Marty is going anywhere and I’d be surprised if Stepan isn’t on the roster but you never know I guess.

Games is on TV tonight:

Svech - Aho - Necas

KK - Staal - Turbo

Nino - Drury - Jarvis

Smith - Lorentz - Fast

Slavin - TDA

Skjei - Pesce

Cole - Bear

Raanta

Lyon

Not Playing: Trocheck (precautionary), Stepan, Marty, Leivo, Suzuki, Rees, Noesen, Smith, Keane, Lajoie, Gelinas, Andersen

21 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

They aren’t carrying a taxi squad in the NHL this season are they? 

No taxi squad this year which is why I feel like we should carry 23, the issue is fitting those 23 players under the cap along with Gardiner being on LTIR.

Sure we could always call someone up from Chicago but carrying 23 makes it easier.

I believe there will be a stream on OKC’s website.

Also…

Two more down.

Looks like the Canes are closing in on the roster.

They are still using split groups:

Team Attitude (26): Svech, Aho, Necas, KK, Trocheck (wasn’t at practice today), Turbo, Nino, Staal, Jarvis, Marty, Stepan, Fast, Lorentz, Leivo, Smith, Drury, Slavin, TDA, Pesce, Skjei, Bear, Cole, Smith, Keane, Andersen, Raanta

At least three need to go, my guess is Leivo, Drury, and Keane get sent to Chicago.

Team Energy (7): Suzuki, Rees, Noesen, Gelinas, Lajoie, Jacobs, Chatfield

Expect these seven to be assigned to Chicago soon.

Side Note: Alex Lyon has been waived with intention to send him to Chicago but he’s being kept in camp in case of an injury.

I also forgot to mention, in addition to the 12 already assigned to Chicago (Letunov, Miletic, Poturalski, Smallman, Fitzgerald, Bokk, Cotton, Mattheos, Murray, Sellgren, Makiniemi, Warm); 5 were also returned to juniors (Orr, Robidas, Montgomery, Seeley, Hamrla).

Cuts have started.

I’ll mention that I wouldn’t be surprised if Jarvis gets his 9 games in the NHL before a decision is made on whether he heads back to juniors or not.

The Canes can carry 23 guys and while they usually don’t it may be in their best interest with Covid still being an issue.

That puts us with

Forward (14)

Aho, Svech, Necas, Turbo, KK, Trochek, Nino, Staal, Fast, Jarvis, Marty, Stepan, Lorentz, Leivo/Smith

Defense

Slavin, Pesce, TDA, Bear, Cole, Skjei, Smith (7)

Goalie

Andersen, Raanta

A few notes through 2.

- Impressed with the PP, looks really solid.

- Andersen is the calmest goalie we’ve had back there since Ward. Can’t tell if he’s made a save or given up a goal because his demeanor is the same.

- A 4th line combo of Leivo, Stepan, Lorentz, and Martinook is going to be solid.

- Drury and Rees look like very solid future NHL players.

- Ian Cole is going to be a great acquisition and be the old vet of this defense that the guys can lean on.

The line up was:

KK - Trocheck - Turbo

Lorentz - Stepan - Leivo

Rees - Drury - Noesen

Miletic - Suzuki - Bokk

Cole - TDA

Lajoie - Keane

Gelinas - Sellgren

Andersen

Lyon

Ethan ’s flow is impressive.

Also nice to see that we are fully vaccinated.

I’ll mention this regarding the KK compensation.

If for some reason we are out of the playoff picture come the trade deadline Nino will get us a 2nd and Trocheck will get us a first.

Waddell said that KK will start out playing LW.

This just makes too much sense.

KK - Aho - Turbo

1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

So how do we get back in cap compliance now? LTIR/Buyout Gardiner? 

You were right, Gardiner to LTIR, he needs hip surgery.

Sad to say but his career is done. Don’t see anyway he comes back from hip and back surgery in a span of three or so years.

I bet he’s bought out next year.

54 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

So how do we get back in cap compliance now? LTIR/Buyout Gardiner? 

I’d honestly bury him in Chicago and let him sit until he feels like he’s 120%. Then when he’s ready allow him to come back and play with Chicago for the season and see if that helps him at all.

4-5 years ago he was a real solid player for Toronto but his back injury completely derailed his career. He needs to spend a season getting his mind right and getting his body right. Maybe toward the end of the season he can suit up for Chicago and give it one last go.

We have a lot of cap space coming up next year so we can always fit him in if he is able to make a comeback or at that point buy out the last year of his contract.

Ian Cole and Brendan Smith are more than likely just one year rentals and if TDA has a bad year he won’t be back and if he has a good year we won’t be able to afford him. I also don’t see anyway Nino or Leivo are back and maybe even Trocheck if he prices himself out of our market.

I think the hope is that KK takes a big step forward this year and becomes the future 2C of this franchise.

Just spit balling for next year but maybe something like:

FREE AGENT - Aho - Turbo

Svech - KK - Necas

FREE AGENT - Staal - Jarvis

Martinook - Drury - Fast

Extras: Suzuki, Lorentz

Slavin - Pesce

Skjei - Bear

Gardiner - FREE AGENT

Extras: Keane, Sellgren

Andersen

Raanta

It’s going to be really interesting to see where KK slots in.

This could be a special season if Andersen gets back to playing the way he did a couple years ago and Raanta stays healthy.

Icing on the cake would be TDA replicating his season from 2019.

Noice!!!!

There is a Montreal Twitter account that called their draft pick hours before the draft that is stating that Montreal will not match the KK offer sheet and instead package the picks for Christian Dvorak from Arizona.

We’ll see.

3 hours ago, zacka77ack said:

Taking a few comments from Reddit about the ins and outs of the QO:

u/Downvote_Comforter:

Mostly correct, although qualifying offers are more than a simple formality. The QO is what a team must present a player in order to hold their RFA rights. If a soon-to-be RFA is not qualified, then they become a UFA. If qualified, the soon-to-be RFA can either accept the qualifying offer (and sign a 1 year contract for those terms) or they can continue negotiating with the team to reach any contract. Players are also free to sign any type of extension before the qualifying offer is due.

It's more than just a formality as it creates a very real "floor" for a 1 year contract on the next offer. This gives the player the leverage to reject any poo offer from the team by simply saying "why would I sign that poo when I could just sign my QO instead?" But it still allows the team and player to agree to a multi-year deal for an AAV less than the 1 year QO amount.

u/papercutssc2

QO offer is nul and void if player accepts a contract before the QO deadline, yes. You are correct it would become a formality.

What's not a formality is if the player gets injured or plays poorly and the offer is no longer on the table than the player can default to the QO and get 6.5 million for another year OR becomes an UFA. This high $ QO gives the player a lot more bargaining power than a regular RFA with arbitration rights. So not really a formality.

 

So it sounds like the Hurricanes CAN offer a different contract if KK will accept it? I guess it depends on when the QO offer deadline is?

This is all true but the key is that KK has accepted the QO from the Canes meaning that is his contract this year with either Carolina or Montreal.

The thing is, he’ll still be an RFA once the QO contract expires next year and per the NHL CBA, his next QO has to start at the $6.1M mark. However, KK can agree to any extension that he’d like and that contract would begin in 21/22.

The issue for Montreal is that KK doesn’t seem too keen to sign an extension so he’d play on his QO this year and force Montreal to qualify him again at $6.1M next year or let him walk. If Montreal did that they’d be in rough cap shape with Suzuki’s and Caulfield’s contracts coming up.

In Carolina’s scenario, there’s rumors that KK would sign an extension and even cut the Canes a deal since they helped him get out of Montreal.

Per this tweet, KK will agree to a contract with the Canes where the total money averages out at $4M per year if the Canadians do not match.

For example, let’s say KK signs a 3x$3.3M

Year One QO - $6.1M

Year Two (First Year of Extension) - $3.3M

Year Three (Second Year of Extension) - $3.3M

Year Four (Final Year of Extension) - $3.3M

In total, it’s essentially a 4x$4M ($16M total)