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Really appreciate this post. Thanks.

Ah, true. I was only looking at regular season games.

Largest 1st Q. margin: 21 points. (in a loss: 14 points) Largest halftime margin: 28 points. (in a loss: 16 points) Largest end of 3rd qtr margin: 38 points. (in a loss: 10 points) Largest final point margin: 38 points.

Just for fun I looked up Panthers largest-ever margin at halftime. Funnily enough, 28 points. 3 games. 1 of them versus Atlanta in 2015. The 38-0 shutout. Fun.

Definitely not a huge lead. I was kind of surprised that a 16 point margin was the biggest halftime lead we've ever squandered.

I got curious as to how the team had fared in the weeks following squandering a big halftime lead. In the 8 other games where they've led by 9 or more points at the half and then gone on to lose, their record was 5-2 in the following week's game. (In 2001 week 13, the game with the large squandered lead was followed by a bye, so I didn't count it.) In 2011 week 14, squandered a 16 point lead. Week 15: Won 28-13 In 2016 week 10, squandered a 14 point lead. Week 11: Won 23-20 In 2011 week 11, squandered a 13 point lead. Week 12: Won 27-19 In 2001 week 13, squandered an 11 point lead. Week 14 Bye [Wk 15 L] In 2010 week 13, squandered an 11 point lead. Week 14: Lost 10-31 In 2009 week 9, squandered an 11 point lead. Week 10: Won 28-19 In 2016 week 1, squandered a 10 point lead. Week 2: Won 46-27 In 1998 week 10, squandered a 9 point lead. Week 11: Lost 9-13

Thanks for this. Depressing stat trend, that's for sure.

You can look at the data for yourselves here: https://stathead.com/tiny/Gv69U

Apologies, I know it's long-past the 24 hour rule and time to be moving on from Sunday's loss. But I've had a really busy two weeks and no chance to be on here much at all for awhile. There's a question going around Twitter today about "most embarrassing los for a Charlotte team" ... that reminded me of something that was nagging at me after Sunday's game that I wanted to research. Today I got that chance. I kept wondering why Sunday's loss hurt SO BADLY... really like a gut punch. It's not like we haven't done a lot of losing in the past few years, and some games (e.g. loss to Steelers on MNF in 2018) were really much much much more embarrassing. And then it hit me. This is the first time we've squandered a big halftime lead and lost the game in quite some time. I went to Pro Football Reference to confirm the data: Here are the largest halftime leads ever squandered (by score margin at halftime): Here are the results in chronological order. We haven't squandered a lead of more than 4 points since November 2016. So, yes, that's why Sunday was such a gut punch. We had a decent lead and then proceeded to completely give it away. Having hope and optimism denied hurts much more than not having hope in the first place!

Can't change numbers in season. Zane is in #5 like it or not

Great thread. Gettleman's drafts killed the team. We had the fewest picks in the NFL during that era, BY FAR. And so so little to show for all of Gettleman's trade ups.

I believe we currently have 6 picks for 2022 if Darin Gantt is correct.

Jourdan Rodrigue has a fantastic long form article on the Rams' offensive line today. https://theathletic.com/2860335/2021/10/06/its-our-responsibility-to-make-sure-these-skinny-guys-get-their-glory-rams-ol-a-bright-spot-through-4-weeks/ It's a great read. (Though it makes me sad all over again that we passed over Whitworth when he was available.... sigh. [And yes, I was one of the folks that thought he might be "too old" and was supportive of giving Matt Kalil a try. UGH. Boy was I wrong, and so was our front office.] It gives me some hope though that outside of Whitworth, they gave some young, unheralded guys a chance, and they're jelling.

The funniest is some mad Packers fans using the GIF of Rodgers throwing his tablet after a pick. .. that of course was from the Panthers W vs Packers in 2015!

The fact that they added "gettin fitty with it" puts it over the top!!

He said today that he's been making calls. Not finding any sellers, not even for backups. I appreciate that he's open about the need and not pretending the current line is ok

I couldn't resist doing a bit more digging on this "never trailed" streak. I pulled out my external hard drive that has all the old Panthers data Excel spreadsheets I created from 2014-2018, including the comprehensive gamebook data spreadsheets I maintained from 2015-2018 with detailed week by week data and did a little browsing through my old files. In 2015, Panthers also had a 3 game "never trailed" streak. It was weeks 10-12 of the season. And week 12 happened to be the infamous Thanksgiving game at Dallas. Panthers never trailed in that game. Can we beat Dallas again from wire to wire in 2021 to get to a 4 game "never trailed" streak this season?!?!?! Wouldn't THAT be fun!?!! In 2015 Panthers had 8 regular season games in which they never trailed, plus the 2 playoff games. (Wks 1, 4, 7, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15) In 2016 Panthers had 5 games they never trailed. (Wks 8, 9, 11, 14, 15) In 2017 Panthers had 5 games they never trailed. (Wks 1, 2, 8, 10, 14) In 2018 Panthers had 3 games they never trailed. (Wks 1, 9, 17) I don't have comprehensive data for 2019 & 2020, but just quickly browsed through PFRef to look for streaks. In 2019 Panthers ALSO had a 3 game "never trailed" streak: weeks 4, 5, 6. They also never trailed in week 9. In 2020, Panthers never trailed in 3 games: weeks 4, 11, 16. So, we've had 3 game 'never trailed streaks" at least 2 other seasons in our history. In 2015 it meant something, was part of a season of dominating the league. In 2019, it proved to be fool's gold, that brief streak where Kyle Allen was winning and we were having fun before it all fell apart. We'll know more by Sunday night what our 2021 3 game "never trailed" streak means and whether it will continue!

So far, Panthers are the only team to have never trailed this entire season.... I'm trying to figure out how to do a query in Pro Football Reference to discover the longest streak a team has gone without trailing. (And the longest prior streak by the Panthers too.) Anyone here have experience in using PFRef Stathead and have ideas how to look that up? (Consecutive games in which a team never trailed). My PFRef Query skills are VERY rusty since I've not used it much since early 2018, and they've changed the interface a little bit. I've put out a request on Twitter to the RFRef folks... we'll see if they answer. Stay tuned..... But while I' was playing around in Stathead I went back to a conversation I was having with some folks on Twitter yesterday. We were talking about the importance to this team of playing with a lead. Someone asked me what the Panthers record is when leading at halftime. [Back when I was last crunching Panthers stats with any kind of focus, I'd done some research and tables on that from 2015 - mid-2018. In the 54 game stretch I reviewed (2015 - week 7 of 2018), Panthers led at halftime in 35 games, and won 31 of those. (89%).] Tonight I was able to look up the answer for Panthers entire history: Over Panthers history: Lead at Halftime: 196 games. W-L 148-48 (75.5%) [The league average is 77.7%] I then got curious about the different head coaches. I haven't yet got full data for every season for every coach, but I did look at each coach's rookie season. Capers 1995 Lead at Half 4 games. Won 3. 75% Seifert 1999 Lead at Half 8 games. Won 7 87.5% Fox 2002 Lead at Half 7 games. Won 5 71.4% Rivera 2011 Lead at Half 8 games Won 4 50% Rhule 2020 Lead at Half 6 games Won 5 83.3% So far with Rhule as a coach, we've won 8 of 9 games when we've been leading at halftime. I love it!! It was really interesting to see the difference in Rhule's fast start in this category compared to Rivera. Rivera and the team dramatically improved over his tenure in terms of winning when they had the lead at the half, but he started really badly in this regard: 2011 4/8 50% 2012 5/8 62.5% 2013 10/13 76.9% 2014 5/6 83.3% 2015 12/12 100% 2016 6/10 60% 2017 10/10 100% 2018 6/8 75% Anyway, this is too long. But it made me appreciate that so far Rhule-coached Panthers teams seem to do well when leading at half. Getting off to a fast start in games pays dividends and Rhule, Brady & Snow seem to know how to capitalize on that when they can do it. Now that I've got a PFRef Stathead subscription I can play around with a lot of Panthers data again. So feel free to shoot me questions you want me to look up. Just a caution, I'm traveling tomorrow - Sunday so don't expect to be online here much at all until next week again... but I'll check in as I can and make a note of questions folks have.

I somehow missed DJ's Next Gen Stats route tree after Thursday's game. Just discovered it this evening.

So the waiver wire order now reflects 2021 record, no longer the 2020 draft order. https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1442824305461575684?s=19 According to B/R Panthers are #30. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2948783-updated-2022-nfl-draft-order-after-sundays-week-3-results.amp.html

And here are charts on Cowboys CBs