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Tepper didn’t have the wisdom to ban the move up for Bryce. Doesn’t matter what you think about Bryce, who can argue that the move at that cost is defensible at this point? It’s a crippling trickle down affect of no top first rounders under 5 year contracts. We then doubled down with leggette after trading up. We’re spiraling debtors. Of course present staff is willing to trade in futures when, if it fails, they’re not going to be around to weather the consequences anyway.

The absolute travesty of this pick was that all you had to do was wait. We had top pick the next day of the draft at top of the second round. Spend the night regrouping. Field trade offers. Consult counter opinions. Do a last minute checklist for Christ’s sake. There were multiple viable prospects there (with McKonkey a clear fit for Bryce’s game). The trade up was just indefensible.

To be fair, things aren’t working out so well for that dude either. Still trying to spot this mythical Bryce fan club everyone keeps mentioning. There were two dudes in Bama Bryce jerseys in front of me at the AZ game. They were real quiet after the first snap

Have there been bad throws? Absolutely. That angle is fair enough for a huddle poster. But fixating on what’s going on around you rather than why you’re where you’re at….at this professional level…is extremely concerning. Hopefully it’s just a misstatement (although the effort in the weeks before does little to dispel that). To have watched the degree of sloppiness in the Pats game and not reflect on the fact that he’s been benched below those guys is a serious problem.

As painful as it might be, you’ve got to ride it out with Canales (and to a lesser extent Bryce) this year. Every other option is worse. Bryce you can bench but only once you’re sure you’re moving on. Canales you have to give enough rope to hang himself as any talented prospective replacement candidate with options will be concerned about job security. That said, Canales has done nothing to earn next year. If things continue to go this way, the biggest bargaining chip you’ll have to entice a new coach is that you will get his guy with a high draft pick. If you’re considering keeping Canales another year, you have to weigh that against (once again) sticking a new coach with a QB he didn’t draft if Canales doesn’t pan out. That also means as CarolinaLivin mentions two different systems in two years for a new qb. That’s repeating the same mistakes.

Sam Darnold does not play for the Raiders. He replaced Geno Smith in Seattle. Geno, coincidentally, is now on the Raiders with Pete Carroll at the helm.

Looking forward to T-Mac’s homecoming.

Seen a lot of talk about “cull everyone, Bryce never was it”. Maybe it’s the inevitable outcome. Maybe let’s play a few more games? The mistakes on Sunday weren’t a result of Bryce’s physical limitations. Bryce’s decision making was a problem which depending on where you sit might be a bigger issue. That’s what the stat sites are meting out. A lot went wrong outside of Bryce. A center that can’t snap. A second year receiver that doesn’t know his routes, can’t manage sidelines and isn’t cutting back to the qb on a scramble (a cardinal sin). Plays not getting in on time, resulting in awkwardly timed snaps. That’s coaching. And before I’m labeled a Bryce apologist for not participating in this circle jerk of misery, the 4th down decision to throw it away and the fumble are inexplicable. Those are unacceptable mistakes for any third year player.

We hate ourselves but we hate others just as vigorously. That’s something.

I’ll take it. Been foregoing responses because you already covered what needed to be said for years. Keep pounding man.

Two things can be true. Thielen could have been content playing with us. Yet, when the Vikings opportunity materialized, he had a preference. Doesn’t mean it’s an indictment of the Panthers. Keep in mind: 1) The opportunity arose because the Vikings WR room suddenly became depleted for the early season. In August, Addison was handed a suspension and Nailor went under the knife. 2) Thielen is from Minnesota. He maintains a home there. They signed him as a UDFA when no one else wanted him. His best years were there. He played 9 years there and now has a chance to retire there. I firmly agree that he was worth more to us than to anyone else.The Coker injury only reinforces that. Unfortunately, Minnesota means more to Thielen than anywhere else which really hurt our leverage. At least there’s the cap savings. Losing that negotiation point would have been a disaster.

“But confidence that he’s already arrived seems massively overblown…” I read this forum daily and pretty much every thread. I can’t recall a single poster making this assertion. You guys are wailing woe against a straw man. The reality is many are hopeful that post-week 8 of last year is a launching point and a significant vocal minority remain skeptical. The points on all sides have been beaten to death and most are just eager to see how it plays out. No one’s throwing a parade. They’re just out here in lawn chairs waiting for things to start. Nonetheless, some of you guys seem intent on pissing on everyone anyway.

Genuinely think it’s rookie stuff with him. His age and development coming in as a rookie is a separate convo. He’s been body catching since early this season which isn’t something that was an issue in college as far as I’m aware. In fact his strength appeared to be his extension in attacking the ball downfield in contested situations. He’s been jumping to body catch since the start of the season. Even before the aggregious drops, he was sometimes drifting out of the endzone or to a space that allowed the defender to intervene. If he cuts like he should have, Bryce has another touchdown in the Tampa Bay Game (not to mention the other one the refs stole from Thielen). It’s a habit he has to break. The good part is he is definitely getting open, sometime on some very savvy moves. One of the main reasons to keep watching this season is whether he can put it all together.

There is definitely a hands problem. The question is whether and how much the cause is mechanical or mental. Rather than attacking these balls, he’s waiting on them and body catching. He’s even jumping at times to secure a body catch. These are mechanics that can be fixed. That said, a common reason for being hesitant to get extended is anticipating getting hit. If that’s the driving force, he has to work through it mentally. That hospital ball in the first quarter of the Eagles game wont help.