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Which shows exactly the level of ignorance of many of the “experts/insiders” that get referenced on here daily. If TB was anywhere near worth a top 10 pick, the Panthers wouldn’t be trying to trade him. Unless they pay most of his contract, they aren’t getting anything for a player that will be cut. No team is going to give picks to pay him 8M or 18M.

And he hits the red flag trifecta since then. INJURY Steep decline in play And a PED suspension(in progress)

Keenim was close. Didn’t disagree. And if they are paying it down, of course it changes everything. They should get a pick if they spend 10M. Before, with that 10M attached, it was 17M for this year. As it is, are teams going to want to pay even the 7M he would still have coming. Judging by what the others have accepted, it’s not that far fetched. Counterpoint is why would a team give Andy Dalton 10M? Kind of destroyes my point.

That’s because none of his salary this year was guaranteed. Still sort of surprised he agreed anyhow. Carr is definitely their plan for now after last year. Surely he had to think he could have gotten 3.5M. But teams don’t want to pay backup QBs, especially in a cash strapped year. I wish the Steelers would have scraped together 4M. I’d much rather have Teddy, Trubisky, Mariota...etc....over Mason Rudolph.

Jonah Williams is only in his 3rd year. And played solid. It’s one of the few positions they don’t have a huge hole. Burrow is probably campaigning for Chase, as you said. It’s as much as a need as they have. Doesn’t hurt to sleep him happy. Now, I’m taking Sewell, or trading back. But those are reasons not to. Take Sewell and move Williams to RT/G. Which is where I still think his long term value is.

The Panthers should look into Steven Nelson. Still not sure why he had to be let go besides cap. I would have preferred to keep him over giving JuJu the same money. Nelson was above-average to very good since he arrived. Wanted an extension on his final year and Steelers just cut bait. A very good CB for 8M. I’m sure he’s still asking for too much right now, but this is the wrong year to “take a stand”. He would at least fill a major hole on the roster for y’all. Something I think the Panthers haven’t done a good job of this year, so far.

I agree. Winston should have been the choice last year, and if he sucked, sign Trubisky and see if you can get a QB at 8. That would have been 3.5M total for two years instead of 37M(+5M more dead cap next year) plus 4.7M for Darnold this year. So 3.5M for Winston(2020) and Trubisky(2021) against 46.7M for Teddy and Darnold. Anyone think 43M more cap space would have helped? Plus the very real possibility that the Panthers will have another 19M of guaranteed salary tied to a QB on top of this. Getting around 65M for upside and prayers.

No. That’s perceived, or imagined upside. It’s hard to make a case that he has ever played like an average NFL at any point in his career. If you think a new staff can change Darnold’s decision- making, accuracy, and internal clock, then two QBs who have shown a lot more upside should get the same consideration. Factor in the extra cost of picks and that option, if they actually do exercise it, and what is the advantage of investing in Darnold over a QB like Trubisky who would have had almost zero risk.

Not surprising that there’s not much response to this question? Given that Trubisky would cost half of what Darnold does, and no draft picks to acquire, I would much rather take the chance on him. Winston would be a better bet as well. If all were available at same price he might be my first choice out of the 3.

Why would the Panthers put even more money onto this year? Its the same 24M either way. I still have a hard time believing the Panthers are exercising the option before the draft. I know it was reported, but they have until the 5/3 to officially do it. Maybe they put it out there to make teams think they don’t want a QB at 8? As many on here have thought. It makes much sense if it’s a smokescreen. The trade, IMO, wasn’t bad. I wouldn’t have given a probable top 40 pick, but it wasn’t a ridiculous overpay by any measure. It’s the option. There is not one good reason to guarantee him 19M based off anything he’s done up until now.

How or why would that help? Plus it would be 1.5M short.

So one guy’s specific situation, 15-20 years ago is a blanket statement. Was Reese ever GM on his last year of a contract, on a team that just hired a HC to a 7 year contract worth 10x a year what he makes? Because that’s this situation. Thats acting like the Panthers aren’t vastly different from just a couple years ago in the way they are run. Every situation is different, but there is no way that Rhule didn’t approve that(and every) deal. Or did Rhule only make the good moves and it was Hurney who made every mistake. I would have to assume if that information was available for TB, it was for every transaction. And I’ve never said the guy was lying. I can absolutely see him being told that by someone in the organization. Coincidentally, right when Hurney got fired. Remember, he was a scapegoat.

So it’s your position that a lame-duck GM(see Andrew Berry) making 1M(maybe) didn’t mention the terms to anyone until after the contract was signed? Not the new 7 year HC with total authority? Not the new cap guy? No one? You stick with that? How do you Know this? Have you shadowed many GMs? So coaches and GMs don’t discuss this? Trent Baalke can sign a player Urban wants for twice what he’s worth and doesn’t tell anyone? Just like Hurney would have been, Baalke would get canned.

I have never claimed one speck of “inside” information from anything related to the Panthers. Coming from someone that will post anything ever printed to back up any theory, your best response is this. No other evidence. Just “because he said so” against every bit of print and just plain common sense. That’s why you didn’t even attempt to answer any of it. The article has quotes about 7 years ago. Your “source” mentioned it on here hours after Hurney was fired. Not before. I had said that Hurney would be the scapegoat for anything that goes wrong the first year. Hmmm....what happened? He was exactly that. You don’t have to be in/near the Panthers to know who makes decisions and whether they are good or bad ones. I’ve been doing it for years.

How about the guy they hired from the Steelers that was supposed to take care of all that? And do you actually believe that Hurney signed TB to that contract without running it by anyone else in the organization? Especially the 70M head coach. How come no other Panther reporter of any kind has put this on Hurney? Just one biased fan. Anything besides him? Where is Hurney mentioned in this article? Who is everyone blaming this next fiasco on? My money is on whoever is let go or leaves first. As usual. https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/34244/teddy-bridgewater-becoming-to-panthers-what-drew-brees-is-to-saints CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Long before Teddy Bridgewaterwas introduced to then offensive assistant Joe Brady with the New Orleans Saints, long before the Carolina Panthers' personnel department made Bridgewater the player to replace franchise quarterback Cam Newton, the former Louisville star was on coach Matt Rhule’s radar. It was about seven years ago. Rhule, then the coach at Temple, watched on television as Bridgewater played for the Minnesota Vikings. Evan Cooper, his director of external operations and, like Bridgewater, a native of Miami, was with him. “We always joked like, 'If you ever get one of those [NFL] jobs, that’s the first guy you should go after,'" Cooper recalled.

For Darnold a 2 and 4(2022) and 6th For Teddy the 3rd round comp from Bradberry.

Guaranteed 19M next year is almost exactly where the Panthers are at with Teddy right now. And he only cost a 3rd round comp pick.

Yet the guy who they Knew wasn’t a franchise QB 34M guaranteed. That’s brilliant. Now they get to eat 20M in dead cap to get rid of him. Brilliant!!! And now they are following the same plan with another flawed QB. The team wasted 80M last year trying to win a couple more games. Glad you consider that peanuts. That’s why the Panthers do what they do. Fans like you who believe every move they make is perfect make it easy to be average or less. And acting like the same people that predicted many of these situations have no clue is laughable. What would you like to discuss. We can go back and see our opinions on anything? Let everyone judge the “substance”.

Because they totally screwed up the first year of said “rebuild”. And now have guaranteed another 18M for a QB to be something he’s never been before. Sound familiar? Truth touched a nerve I see...LOL

Neither was I until about a week ago. Like Breer said, BIG change. And makes this a very questionable decision to exercise it.

Not anymore. Albert Breer @AlbertBreer Here's the full memo on the price tags of fifth-year options for 2018 first-rounders. As we said, two Pro Bowls in first 3 years = Franchise tag; one Pro Bowl = transition tag. Deadline to exercise options is May 3. Also, these are now FULLY guaranteed upon execution—big change.

The Panthers would have to GIVE up a pick just to get a team to pay his salary. No team is paying him 18M to be a backup. At least not ANOTHER team.

Sure. 34M for one subpar season isn’t bad at all. I’m sure that wouldn’t have helped in Free Agency at all. What would you consider “ridiculous”?