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For Darnold a 2 and 4(2022) and 6th For Teddy the 3rd round comp from Bradberry.

Guaranteed 19M next year is almost exactly where the Panthers are at with Teddy right now. And he only cost a 3rd round comp pick.

Yet the guy who they Knew wasn’t a franchise QB 34M guaranteed. That’s brilliant. Now they get to eat 20M in dead cap to get rid of him. Brilliant!!! And now they are following the same plan with another flawed QB. The team wasted 80M last year trying to win a couple more games. Glad you consider that peanuts. That’s why the Panthers do what they do. Fans like you who believe every move they make is perfect make it easy to be average or less. And acting like the same people that predicted many of these situations have no clue is laughable. What would you like to discuss. We can go back and see our opinions on anything? Let everyone judge the “substance”.

Because they totally screwed up the first year of said “rebuild”. And now have guaranteed another 18M for a QB to be something he’s never been before. Sound familiar? Truth touched a nerve I see...LOL

Neither was I until about a week ago. Like Breer said, BIG change. And makes this a very questionable decision to exercise it.

Not anymore. Albert Breer @AlbertBreer Here's the full memo on the price tags of fifth-year options for 2018 first-rounders. As we said, two Pro Bowls in first 3 years = Franchise tag; one Pro Bowl = transition tag. Deadline to exercise options is May 3. Also, these are now FULLY guaranteed upon execution—big change.

The Panthers would have to GIVE up a pick just to get a team to pay his salary. No team is paying him 18M to be a backup. At least not ANOTHER team.

Sure. 34M for one subpar season isn’t bad at all. I’m sure that wouldn’t have helped in Free Agency at all. What would you consider “ridiculous”?

You really don’t understand at all do you?

Minshew makes less than 1M for two seasons. TB would cost 8M new money to keep. Depending on what the Panthers had to give up it would be very beneficial.

Should have had around 100M this year, when players are getting underpaid and very few teams had a lot of space.

Then it would have been really tough if Herbert would have fell to 7 and Panthers fans had to watch the team pass on him because they just gave a backup QB 34M guaranteed.

Not hiring a real GM in 2017. Instead hired a GM who had already trashed the team once. Joe Thomas is a good one. They knew the 1st rounder they would be giving up was going to be a very late 1st. Rumor was CLE wanted an extra pick. Should have thrown a 3-4th at them. 3 year left on his deal at a very reasonable 8M/yr. Instead paid 25M to Matt Kalil to suck for a year then quit on the team.

Considering the rookie salary cap didn’t start until 2011, those would be only relevant years. Before that, the top picks were too expensive. The Colts with Luck was obvious. Three straight division titles followed. Browns in 2017 and that roster is loaded now. Dolphins already got to 10-6 the first year after. Jimmy Johnson Cowboys tanked his first year and won 3 SBs there after

So it’s your opinion that the FO made the correct decision in spending 80M of unnecessary cap space to be be in a better position to win 5-6 games? What if you trade a player at the trade deadline for a pick? Is that tanking? It hurts your team immediately. Do all the remaining players on the team boycott? Since you know so much about the culture of an NFL team from your vast experiences on the “juice-box” circuit. That’s what’s disingenuous about all this.

No, like others, we perfectly understand that you don’t understand the differences in what you’re stating. Not using all your resources in a given year is nothing near throwing games. I’m not the only one that doesn’t understand your opinion. Seems many on here are having trouble with the goalposts moving in your theories. What is it anyhow? Is your theory that a team should put every available resource into to winning the next game and nothing else?

So it is better for the future of the team to use all your cap space, lose comp picks, and just repeat the same problem every year to finish with 5-7 wins then taking one year to set up the team for many years in the future. The Dolphins don’t seem to have any trouble with the teams “chemistry” and commitment. Much like last summer when this was told to you and others , repeatedly.

What did Hurney do to, or with, TB?

It will actually be 28M if he stays. Like you said, it’s starting to sound like last summer.

It’s because you, like many, don’t understand the difference in throwing a football game and the “tanking(rebuilding)” the Dolphins did. It’s about not using all available resources to win 5 games instead of 2. We saw what happens when a coach tries that. The Dolphins traded or cut everyone with value, accumulated picks and cap space, and played hard in every game. Now they are loaded after one rebuild year. The Panthers spent 80M extra in cap space to finish with the same record.

Thank you for proving my point. McShay...lol. And comparing one small part of Jones game, like he did, is not the same as you calling him a mobile version of two of the best QBs ever. The difference is what happened once they decided to throw the ball. One guy had a great arm and the fastest release in NFL history. The other underthrows deep balls on a consistent basis. But you should be ecstatic. Your team just traded the farm for him. You got your man. Congrats.

Was there anything after he compared Jones to Dan Marino? I stopped there

If that’s your point, you failed miserably. Last 20 SBs. 40 spots. B. Johnson, R Gannon, Delhomme, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Grossman, Kaepermick, Flacco, Foles, Goff. That’s 10 out of 40 non HOFers. That’s 75% of places occupied by an HOF QB. And only 3 won.

CAn you show me where this was part of your ridiculous point to begin with? Eli(2), Peyton(3), Ben(3), Rodgers, Cam, Grossman, Flacco, Ryan, Goff, Mahomes. Why is a QB who retired in 1999 on that original list. Maybe you should just move on to your next alt because you have ruined this one out of the gate.