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9M right now. Still have Sanders, Hurst, Tuttle, DJax, Corbett, Thomas, Shaq to make decisions on.

So the very expensive calculator, who I was assured was a “Cap Ninja”, gets the axe? If only someone could have seen this coming? Looks like being a scapegoat will be his biggest contribution to the team.

You mean the comment that you can’t have it both ways. That’s been made very clear. I had to assume since you didn’t address any comments about the GM you were referring to. You claimed he was then responsible for all that was good from 1998 forward. Also BS. I’ve given directs words from Marty while you just cherry-pick and make up whatever scenario needed. And the Panthers are doing the same exact thing as back then. Just like you always do in these discussions. Pretend anything bad on a resume’ is someone else’s fault and just hope for the best. Hope is not a plan.

Get a Time Machine or just make up whatever version you need to. I would say the 1st year Director of football administration was handling that part. Then a couple years building a 1-15 team. Then these are Marty’s own words about the 2001 draft…. Although head coach George Seifert still had the final say in all personnel matters, virtually all of the planning and execution for the 2001 draft was done by director of football operations Marty Hurney and director of player personnel Jack Bushofsky. "It was a good draft. And actually Jack Bushofsky was in charge of that draft. I love Jack, and I can talk about it - but that really was Jack's draft," said Hurney, who now is part-owner of a radio station in Charlotte and also hosts a sports talk show on it. https://www.panthers.com/news/2001-draft-yields-bumper-crop-15078585 Keeping one of the creators of a 15-loss team seems like a tradition now.

Where was Marty during that season or the 3 previous to that one win season? I was just told he was responsible for the team from 1998 forward.

He was? So Seifert and Bushofsky just did nothing as a first year Director of football administration and a rookie in his first job rebuilt the team all on their own. They did help build a team that went 1-15 and got him the actual job. In 14 years, he made the playoffs 3 times. Without him it was 4 in 5 years. So everything right was Marty….and everything wrong was someone else. That’s exactly how a team winds up with a GM who helped put them in this position.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

Then one can only surmise that Hurney doesn’t get credit for anything from 2002-2005. That was the previous staff he was living off of. If he gets credit for 2013-15, he doesn’t get it credit for his earlier accomplishments. Without Hurney, the Panthers went 51-29-1 with 4 playoff appearances in 5 seasons. Around those, Hurney went 23-41 the previous 4 years, and left a team in salary cap hell. Then took it back over and went 17-31 and could keep a consistent playoff team even in contention for a spot. So which is it? Can’t have both. Seems closer to neither.

what was Hurney record with all those players? And how much cap hell did those same teams have to overcome to have success that was easily the best run in team history.

Well, since you have already been owned in most things you just threw at the wall, I’ll ask when Hurney built teams won the NFC South 3 years in a row? What’s Carolina all-time record with Gettleman. What is it without? How about we compare those numbers. It’s not nearly as important as hitting one pick a year, Ws-Ls are sort of the whole point…..right?

Maybe it was the 32 catches for 475 yards KB had in 8 games already that year. Easily best on the team. Leaving them comically short handed for the remaining schedule. Are you Marty Hurney posting? Trying to justify a complete mistake and put it on someone else. What’s the teams record ever since Hurney/Ruhle/Fitterer started putting together teams?

Why would Gettleman have to be apologized for in this? He didn’t trade the best WR in a playoff run. Or make another even try to catch a football at its highest point. Like every WR has been taught since the first day they played football?

Maybe it wasn’t such a good idea to trade their leading WR after a 5-3 start? Wonder who did that?

Did you mention this awesome take when you met him? Carl Spackler Posted December 20, 2022 Speaking as a fan of both players since before they were drafted here, the only metric by which Brown is better than Burns is one called Personal Bias.

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The last big DE deal was Sweat and he only brought a 2nd. Without the contract uncertainty(because he agreed to it first) and not being a liability on at least 40% of his snaps. Now Burns doesn’t even excel in his biggest strength with a DT that had a great year. You have to tag him which will tie up 23M in cap room whether he signs or not. Which he won’t. He would have to agree with a new team on a contract before he would sign. Why would a team give him a lot more that and give up a first when he wouldn’t be worth it if he was a FA? Knowing he is just handcuffing the cap and how much you want him gone. Why didn’t a contender come get him this year when his salary was still at 16M?

How?

So doing what you’re supposed to be doing, in life, makes it acceptable for you to continue with your longstanding takes that no one affiliated with the Panthers have ever made a mistake in their lives. Just like every thread where you call anyone who complains about the team as ignorant, but never give a reason why? Considering they are the worst team in NFL, who was the ignorant one?

I was assured by posters on here that since it was a “future” 1st it was only equivalent to a 2nd round pick. How did that work out?

If you’re blaming Peyton, then it is very relevant. If it wasn’t for all the money they owed him, Peyton would have cut him when he got hired. Wilson was a joke last year and Payton got what he could and still wants him gone.