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And why is it that this supposed “pounding the table for Teddy” scenario became public only AFTER Hurney was fired? It wasn’t like Brady didn’t know him as well as anyone could. One person made that decision. Didn’t matter who “screamed” for what. Blaming Hurney is just the same old story of blaming the guy who is gone for everything. Thus absolving the current coach of any mistakes. Rhule is going to be fine. But it was his mistake. He was the only one with the power to make it. Jimmy Johnson drafted Steve Walsh in the first round of the supplemental draft, just months after using the #1 overall pick on Troy Aikman. They went 1–15 and that pick would have been #1 overall the following year. People were convinced Johnson was a mistake as a NFL HC. He sort of figured it out. Herschel trade helped.

That was made pretty clear when they made Stafford available. Hard to imagine a better spot for him to go to. Very good weapons. KS offense. Talented roster.

So the GM on the last year of an around 1M/yr contract, “made” the HC(and his 7/63M contract a final say in every roster decision) sign a QB that he didn’t want to? Is that the story still? I’m sure he didn’t consult his new OC that had coached Teddy before. It was the final nail because the team needed a scapegoat for a horrible decision that set the franchise back a year(at least). If Rhule listened to Hurney on ANY decision, then that is a mistake on his part.

I was agreeing that the only way he’s traded is to include a pick. But at 17M, it will take more than a 5th. People need to realize that just because a team has cap space doesn’t mean they should throw it away. Osweiler was 16M and it took a 2nd.

The problem is the other team would have to pay 17M for him. And no team is going to want to do that.

You really think it’s not Rhule job to to worry about contracts terms. Hurney threw the pitch. Rhule swung and missed. If you actually convince yourself that Hurney ever wanted him at all. I’m sure it much more convenient to believe Hurney went rogue on this single move.

How is it not? “He showed him the contract and he pooped his pants like the rest of us” That means it’s final. It’s why I asked for clarification. How was that not a taake it and like it scenario?

First, if he, or any GM signed a starting QB without consulting the HC, they would be fired. One makes 9M and the other about 1M. For a reason. But if it helps your imagination, have at it. Has everything you have been told from the staff been true? Let’s not pretend it has been. Nor would it be for any staff. Maybe he’s getting canned so someone could help Rhule not waste around 70M of cap room on a rebuild this time. Not going to make a numbers guy like Tepper happy doing that.

Y’all are hearing many things that weren’t “reported” in a timely manner. And what did what Marty thought matter?

So you believe that Hurney walked in with a signed TB contract and gave it to Rhule? Just deal with it. And you think he wouldn’t have been fired immediately? This is a perfect example of the mental gymnastics it takes to make the current coaches blameless. Not how someone with complete control has little to no accountability.

Yep. There’s no way to chip through at this level of delusion. That fictional scenario is ridiculous. And you believing that contract isn’t a big deal is absolutely proof you don’t understand the mistake that was made, much less who was responsible. You roll with your sources. What’s my motivation here? It’s well-known I think Hurney is awful. But I predicted this exact scenario before any roster decisions were made. I did wait and toss an remark in a thread only hours after he was fired. Yet somehow, not one mention anywhere before? You’re seeing what you want. I’m seeing what I predicted unfold.

I’m just trying to understand how Rhule can do all these other moves, but being the SOLE decision maker he can somehow be not “the main culprit” in this particular one. What happened? Did Marty hold his breath and force Rhule to sign him for that amount? What magical spell did Marty weave to make Rhule consent? On just this issue?

So basically, every good decision was Rhule, and every mistake was Hurney? Who kept KK? Acquired Okung? Gave Boston a deal? Who signed CMC? We’re all these on Hurney? Who drafted?

You are. Completely. What he did in college means nothing. And you want to believe that somehow Hurney convinced a coach with total control to make a horrible decision. Why would Rhule even consider a lame duck GM with a subpar resume, over anything he thought. Why does Brady actually coaching TB not even factor in? That’s the definition of picking and choosing. Just to somehow justify that the current staff didn’t have a hand in it. That’s why he was fired when TB flopped. To place blame on Hurney. Exactly what I said would happen back when he was kept on in January.

What lines should I be reading between? Because nothing is going to add up to that work of fiction. Rhule made every decision. Period. You can’t pick and choose which ones he doesn’t get credit/blame for. So Hurney “lobbied” for this, but that was never mentioned until he was fired? Pretty convenient PR for a horrible mistake made by the ONE person who had final say. Brady was the only coach who had ever even been around TB before he signed. Coached him an entire year in NO. But Hurney was the “voice” that made Rhule do this? LOL. OK. What other moves did Rhule follow Hurneys lead on? If a first year scout gives an opinion on a player, and Rhule acts on it, who is responsible? Rhule, the decision maker, or the scout?

Rhule had been here almost 3 months. And he was GM. So what. Did he have the power to sign anyone that Rhule didn’t approve of? No he didn’t. Unless you can point me to any player Hurney signed without Rhule’s approval, it’s just blaming someone who didn’t have the power to act on any thoughts he had. Just because someone put out the “company” line almost immediately after the firing, doesn’t mean the Rhule didn’t make the final decision.

Then why was this inside information only released after his firing? Why no mention when TB played well. Why not during his signing? Or the off-season. Again, what did Marty’s feelings matter? Did Rhule make the final call or not? On everything. I mentioned numerous times since Rhule was hired that Hurney was there to be a scapegoat for any first year mistakes. I didn’t wait until it was convenient to a narrative.

Conveniently hours after Hurney was fired. As was proven. Not before. And as I asked, what did it matter what MH wanted when the only decision maker was Rhule. What moves did Hurney make and Rhule didn’t approve of? Have your boy come discuss that statement, if everyone is going to just swallow the hook on anything that makes the coaches still here look better.

So you believe Hurney was allowed to sign TB without Rhule’s approval? Just signed him and told Rhule to live with it? Is that what we’re going with here? The HC with a 70M contract and an new OC who was the only one with close knowledge of the player, or a lame-duck GM making about 1M? What other moves did Hurney force onto Rhule? Just the bad ones?

Who, bedsides the guy who had complete control over the entire roster, do you blame for giving a backup “bridge” QB 42M?

So two 1’s and a 2nd? And please take our mistake who has a 10M guaranteed base salary? That’s a dial tone 10 seconds into the phone call.

I’m sure this will happen. As those cap issues the Saints have had for a decade still hasn’t crippled them. Many on here claim they have different rules.

With the cap space, and extra picks you showed so they could survive losing those picks. Sure would be logical. And they could keep their high 2nds too.

That could be different but they still have a ton of talent. Unless Hill and whoever are a mess at QB, they will have a tough time being that bad.

Evidently no one in the FO knew last year. But if you’re going to pay a backup QB 42M for two years, i guess tossing that 3rd rd. comp pick out of the window didn’t much matter.