Toomers

I understand everything about the salary cap and you know that. If it were injury guarantee it would specify it and on what date it took affect. It doesn’t. Which is what makes him hard to trade.

Osweiler hadn’t been awful and injured for 3-4 years prior. He was an “blind shot at QB”. But definitely in the team picture and a legit candidate.

Right at the bottom. 10M of 2021 salary guaranteed. Contract: 3 yr(s) / $63,000,000 Signing Bonus $15,000,000 Average Salary $21,000,000 Total Guarantees $33,000,000 Guaranteed at Signing $33,000,000 Free Agent: 2023 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER WORKOUT CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2020 28 $8,000,000 $5,000,000 $703,125 $250,000 $13,953,125 $33,250,000 $23,953,125($23,953,125) 2021 29 $17,000,000 $5,000,000 $703,125 $250,000 $22,953,125 $20,000,000 $17,953,125($41,906,250) POTENTIAL OUT: 2022, 2 YR, $41,906,250; $5,000,000 DEAD CAP 2022 30 $20,000,000 $5,000,000 $750,000 $250,000 $26,000,000 $5,000,000 $21,000,000($62,906,250) 2023 31 UFA Contract Notes: $33M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2020 salary + $10M of 2021 salary) Per Game Active Bonus: $46,875 ($750,000, 15 LTBE in 2021)

Which is something we have been preaching about KK(and others) for years now.

You can make a legit case that Kalil was the worst FA signing in NFL history. I sure have. The results were easily predictable. But it doesn’t excuse wasting around 80M to win 5 games that the current FO did last year.

Paradis has 3.6M that hits AFTER this year. Even if he plays for the Panthers this year. KK has 4.5M. Same as if they cut them. Then you have Shaqs contract to address. Possibly Teddy cap hit of 5M. Adds up quick.

You suspect wrong. His base salary is guaranteed. Period. Someone is giving him 10M this year. And now on top of that money, they will have to give up valuable draft capital to get rid of him. On top of the 3rd round comp they gave up to sign him. This bill just keeps getting larger.

Short has cost 5M for each ineffective game he has played since his contract was restructured before 2019. And Teddy’s contract could wind up at 2.5M/game if he’s the backup this year. The only way it’s as low as 1.6M is if he’s traded. Good luck with that.

Plus they have SEA 1st in 2022 plus a 3rd and a 4th from them as well. If I’m the Jets I go all in for him. Mainly because they can withstand the loss of picks because of having extras and a large amount of cap space to fill in the holes those picks would have.

It doesn’t seem so, but whatever helps the agenda.

Just happened to never mention it at anytime before he was fired. Nor did(or has) anyone else. One huge Panthers homer has more credibility than every other person associated with the team?

It was one person’s decision. Others had input but Hurney didn’t force Rhule to do anything. And why would the brand new cap guru they hired hAve put a stop to it? Do you think the 70M coach is listening to the 1M lame duck GM about his biggest area of weakness? Contracts? I just find it odd that no reporter, or anyone related to the team, ever mentioned TB as being Hurneys fault until hours after he was fired. Anything like to above quote where Rhule’s coaches liked him for awhile.

And sometimes they get too much credit for going 5-0 as a backup.

These are many of the same excuses given when the Panthers signed him.

This can’t be true. We were told, emphatically that it was 99% Hurneys fault for signing TB. No way the Coach who had full control had anything to do with it. How come there are no quotes like these saying it was Hurneys decision from anyone but one person on a message board? Hmmmm.....

That’s exactly what I thought when you decided to tell everyone they didn’t understand TBs contract, while showing you had no actual concept of what it’s about. Why would we have no problem moving him? Anything besides because you said so?

40M in cap space and a 3rd round pick will have an effect on more than just one off-season. It’s useless to you because you don’t understand what the salary cap is and how it’s supposed to be managed. My rant is nothing but facts. Yours is trying to justify stupidity by the front office with avg salary fantasies.

19th highest salary, not counting that the only starting QBs on that list making less are on rookie deals. 19th for an average backup QB. Not a starter. 2 years and 42M to get to that OUT. How is that anything but horrible considering you could have gotten his quality of play for 3M or less? Just because someone else who doesn’t understand the salary cap says there is an OUT, doesn’t mean it isn’t an awful contract. Matt Kalil had an out. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t horrible and costly to the team. And how is 17M a value to a team trading for him?

What out? To keep him it will cost the Panthers 28M in cap space. 23 this year. 5 next. A team trading for him would have to pay him 17M to be on their team this year. Who is going to pay that for a backup QB who just showed his limited ability? If anything, statements like these pretending that contract isn’t a huge obstacle is something that has been falsely portrayed on here for awhile.

This year if he’s designated post June 1. You still have 5M more next year. 20M you can’t spend, ever, is the entire point. Luke is taking up 7.5M of cap space this year. Kicking it down the road doesn’t make it disappear.

It would matter when stacked onto TBs cap hit of 23M. That 20M for Stafford was more than the current room you have under the cap. With one signed OL. No 1st rounder. No money for Moton. Or anyone.

And wasted it all so fast that he took 5K from HBO sports to lie about taking money from Auburn. Not many people I think less of than Stanley.

Shaq has no trade value to anyone. DJ has a little. They are looking for cheap players on rookie deals. Not overpriced, average OLBs and an inconsistent CB with one cheap year left.

Why would any team want Shaq and his 10M salary? Much less one on a full rebuild.

I hope that sarcasm. I’ve been pretty much Hurney’s most vocal critic for as long as I’ve been on here. Ask anyone. But I’m not blaming him for things he didn’t do. And never have.