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That covers it for me as well.

Can’t really disagree. Just bad policy. Teddy was probably past the “leverage” worries already.

Like I said, he was “understandably” pIssed. But announcing your frustrations to the rest of the league just shatters any value he might have had left. Just not something Tepper should be doing. Never tell the league you don’t want a player anymore. Doesn’t matter how right he was.

I don’t get trashing him in the media, like Tepper did, when you know you want, and NEED, to trade him at that point. That essentially ended any shot of some team taking him for any sort of return. Or having to include pick(s) to get a team to take that contract. Tepper was understandably pissed, but you don’t diminish an asset while he’s still on your roster.

Yet, in a article specifically about who wanted and how TBs signing came to pass, Hurney is only mentioned as being at Herberts Pro Day. Strange that the person who was the main factor in forcing Rhule to sign Teddy, is not mentioned at all in regards to wanting TB. Only coaches that liked him before they were even in the NFL, or coached him before.

Nah. Just curious why the “fairy tale” wasn’t confirmed yet again. What would keep me up nights would have been if I spent the majority of the season posting passing charts and pounding the table that Teddy was really a better QB than everyone was saying? Can’t imagine how ignorant that would make me feel. Definitely would lose sleep if I did something like that.

Why did she leave out the part about Marty Hurney holding the entire coaching staff and front office at gunpoint until they signed TB to a contract? It’s been widely reported(lol) that it was Hurney, and only Hurney who wanted TB. Yet, once again, a team reporter makes no reference to it in a very specific article on that exact subject.

It was fairly easy to see what would happen before the fact as well. Many people did exactly that

Are you still trying to use the salary floor as an excuse for last year? Do you actually believe the cap number and the one used for the “floor” are the same? I thought we were past that. They are not. Ones cap space. Ones cash. That’s why your scenario makes no sense.

What rule am I not understanding? The only 80M I mentioned was the ballpark of money the Panthers wasted last year. Now how about you say what you are talking about and we can see who knows what. Why am I looking for 20M in any scenario?

What 4 year period? WTF are you talking about? Why am I looking for 20M?

What contract? And we have discussed the “salary” floor many times on here. Usually when someone tries to cover up an incompetent signing. I sure knew enough to know it didn’t matter to the Panthers last year, or any team that I can remember. Evidently it was your Hail Mary attempt by providing something you didn’t understand. Let’s go back to those “it’s not bad contract” threads and debate who understands the salary cap. I’ve got years of posts showing my knowledge. Where are yours?

Cause that number is based on cash paid out that year. Not the same thing, And since most contracts have dead money from bonuses already paid, or current ones with future bonuses, this is never an issue. Teams have been rolling over ridiculous amounts for years. They didn’t have to spend a thing. Have an understanding of a rule before using it as proof.

All the money they spent being “competitive”. You know like..... Teddy and 34-42M that you have insisted wasn’t a bad deal. KK-13M Okung-13M Weatherly, Roberts, Apple, Whitehead. How would that chart look with close to 100M beside the Panthers.

Who do you blame for spending 80M to make a 2-14 team a 5-11 team?

There the 13M of new money the team gave him last year. And dead money doesn’t change. They just paid a portion of it. The team spent 13M on an aging, injured DT on a team that should have been saving money not spending it. If you don’t understand this most basic concept of the salary cap,, you need to go back and do some more studying.

It is if the team is a contender and up against the cap. When you are a team that is(or should be) rebuilding, 5M should just be more rollover cap. This is the line of thinking that puts the Panthers in salary cap stress on an annual basis.

It was last year as well and still didn’t happen.

No. It’s just split up. It doesn’t just magically disappear because of June 1, like many on here believe. Just 4.5M of it hits next year.

What part of that says Teddy’s 10M. I’ve never said there aren’t different guarantees. Just that there aren’t injury guarantees in Teddy’s contract. Which there aren’t. Or they would be listed. Along with a date they took effect and how much was guaranteed for injury. Just like Kalil was. Had to be cut the day before the clause hit. If there is a different guarantee, it’s always listed. Media outlets are referring to the Total years and amounts that ESPN reports. Not the sites that get the correct information afterward.

The fine print says it’s guaranteed. Once again. Why would you have to give JAX a 3rd to take his contract if it wasn’t guaranteed. If you would like show me something that indicates it’s not guaranteed, I’d be more than happy to read it. But until then I’ll roll with reality.

It’s ugly. But aside from a few QBs, everyone on that list had done something to warrant their deals. None were consistently one of the worst at their position and an injury risk as well.

I know all the guarantees. You’re just making up a hypothetical scenario to make Teddy’s contract easier to swallow. The players that have injury guarantees have them listed as such. Always have. It’s why they wouldn’t let Kalil back on the team after he quit. If he got hurt, another 7M would have been guaranteed. You asked for a link. Now the exact contract terms aren’t good enough? Not sure what you need for proof. If it isn’t guaranteed, why would you have to send a pick to another team to take him? As you said you would.

But at least Albert was a bad ass to earn the contract. Kalil was a bottom 5 LT from his rookie year on, if he was healthy enough to play. What were they expecting him to be?

It was every bit as ignorant as Matt Kalil.