Toomers

You pick up backup OL in June after the draft and UDFA show up. And maybe he’s not an expert, but if the Panthers followed his plan last year, they would be in much better shape than they are currently under Rhule’s decisions.

People believe what they want to believe. And most sportswriters have no clue when it comes to the cap.

Because you damn sure weren’t about to have any sort of football related discussion and show everyone how full of sh1t you really are.

Then find me anything that thinks it’s a good move. Any non-Panther site. How are they any less credible than the rest of these self proclaimed experts people post stuff from on a daily basis.

Ahh... that’s sweet. Problem for you is I’m always right. Something you would never know anything about.

Seems like other folks are not fans of this deal either. Panthers sign OT Cameron Erving (2 years, $10 million; $6 million guaranteed): O'BRIEN Grade When grading the Pat Elflein signing, I wrote that the Vikings were laughing at the move because they waived Elflein in 2020. Now that the Panthers have signed Cameron Erving, I can say that numerous teams are laughing, namely every single franchise that has rostered Erving over the years Frankly, Erving is a bad player. He's a replacement-level talent. He has experience, but that doesn't matter because it's nothing but bad experience. He's not even a good backup because there's no upside. With that in mind, there was no reason to pay Erving this sort of money. Any sort of guarantee is a mistake. Even six dollars - forget the million - would be too much. This signing deserves an F- grade. It's even worse than the Patriots' decision to overpay Jonnu Smith because Smith, at least, is a solid player.

And they will have paid 12-14M for two players that could have been player on rookie deals or vet min guys. Same waste of money that keeps them in this position.

Why would I care. Y’all can win or lose and it won’t matter to me. I’m here for the train wreck. It’s fun to watch total incompetence so readily accepted by a fan base.

No your crying about people bringing up legitimate concerns. And your defense is Tepper is Rich which couldn’t mean less in this, or any discussion involving paying players. You’re upset your team is ignorant and people are pointing it out.

So I, and everyone who thinks anything the team does is wrong, should never say it? Did you complaining for years about Hurney help get him fired? Didn’t stop you from complaining about the incompetence.

How much money Tepper has means nothing when paying any player. Or do you really not understand that?

That you don’t understand how this affects the Panthers as a team make it easy to see why you can’t “imagine” people being upset with the FO continuously blowing cap space. Sticking your head in the sand and just hoping everything works out is definitely the rational thing to do.

Because they choose to. They have the same rules as everyone else.

That’s sort of why I threw in the “slot” comment. He has to be able to cover outside the hashes to get positional value of a CB. Just like some team has to believe CS is a WR2.

As folks have said, it depends on Jackson. What do you view him as? He’s in an almost exact situation Samuel was in last year. If you do nothing and he does well, he’s gonna command a much higher price. Too risky to give him a bunch of guaranteed money and sign him now. Tough call. And does he eventually need to move to slot? Pride is a backup CB until he shows anything.

I don’t think many want the truth. I’ve blasted Marty’s moves for years, but there was nothing about last year that he had any power to make any decisions. It was obvious the moment Berry turned down the interview. Rhule may have used up his leash by wasting 80M last year. If there’s one thing Tepper understands, it’s the salary cap. He sees how little value the team got for it and maybe told him he has to get a real GM and share some responsibilities.

That is not how it’s done when you give a HC 70M for 7 years and the lame duck GM 1M. It’s why they tried to hire Andrew Berry two weeks after Rhule. But he wouldn’t interview because Rhule had total control. And if Rhule was seriously considering anything Hurney ever said, that’s just as troubling with Marty’s resume. Why is it that not one reporter associated with the Panthers has ever said Hurney was the driving force behind Teddy’s signing. Just one “fan” 2 hours after Hurney was fired. Showing him as the scapegoat I knew he would be. Why didn’t Getzenberg mention his involvement. Mentioned Evan Cooper and conversations while Rhule was at Baylor. Mentioned Brady who coached him before. Mentioned Rhule’s interest before taking the job. All it said about Marty was he was scouting Herbert.

Of course they would still be there. It’s who he is and has always been. And could have had for 30-35M less. How many more weapons do the Panthers need to add to get him a career high of TDS again. Or is 16 being too optimistic?

Seems everyone is taking the “head in the sand” approach to that subject. I guess whatever helps convince yourselves that Rhule didn’t make every single decision last offseason? Which moves did Hurney make on his own? Just the bad ones? Did Hurney sign Teddy and tell Rhule about it after it was signed? It’s hilarious the lengths this fan base will go to justify and excuse incompetence.

Why have more faith now? The organization swung and missed, badly, in their QB decision making so far.

One team was extending there “window” with a HOF QB and a very good shot at a SB. The other “pissed” away 80M and comp picks to make a poor roster capable of winning 5 games. Context means everything. Different situations mean different decisions. But make up whatever you want or need to.

And how many contracts does that include? It’s nothing more than “kicking the can down the road” that has put the Panthers(and many teams) in a mess. Acting like they just created the money out of thin air is disingenuous. Especially with the players that were done. CMC is debatable because if healthy he has shown he is a top 3 player at his position. But now they have thrown more money at a poor contract for Shaq. The Panthers could have had 100M in cap space right now if they didn’t try to build a 6 win team last year. And it seems that will be the strategy again for this year.

With money from 2022-23.

And then 10.5M more in 2023 if that’s the option they are taking.

That’s not true at all. His cap hits for those two years would be 14M total. Then there is the 13.75M in dead cap that hits when they cut him. Add in the 1.5M that got tacked onto his 2019 cap hit when he signed in Dec 2019, and that’s 29.25M for two average seasons from an off-ball LB. Where does just under 15M/yr put him on these lists?