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But he’s “still a rookie”. I screamed loudly that picking it up was a huge mistake with no real upside(and a 19M downside). I was assured the FO knew best. Even though not one person has come up with any decent reason to gamble 19M on a bust.

But that “winning culture” was soooo important. LOL Another year. Another expected performance that destroys the future instead of planning for it. It’s a pleasure watching the “echo chamber” get cracked wide open.

This should be TB avg more not less. I switched it up.

Then why is Teddy averaging a yard and a half less per pass attempt than Sam? What good does that arm skills do if he’s throwing the ball shorter than a QB whose biggest issue was not pushing the ball downfield.

Tepper is probably real happy Rhule and Fit guaranteed Darnold 19M for next year.

Both Bechton and wills have played less than 50% of their team’s total snaps since entering the league in 2020. They were day 1 starters…. Bechton was horrible against us and can barely stay healthy. This was YOUR words. Not even close to correct I’m. A “fairy tale” you created with nothing true involved. Then it was have random criteria for each player that still made you wrong. Which is sort of sad. I shouldn’t respond because you’re doing a great job of making yourself look ignorant all by yourself. 18. T MEKHI BECTON, NEW YORK JETS Becton was one of a handful of surprises on this list. Yes, he was the 11th overall pick, but the fact that he was rarely tasked with true pass sets in a play-action and screen-heavy offense at Louisville was a big concern. Needless to say, it was a shock to see the 6-foot-7, 369-pound tackle outperform in pass protection as much as he did. Becton’s true pass set grade was the 13th-best among all left tackles this season. Seems someone thought he played above average for a LT. When’s the last time a Panthers LT did anything better than average? Especially pass-blocking? 2013? Jedrick Wills had a terrific rookie campaign and earned a 77.6 pass-blocking grade. That was more NFL-ready than even I had predicted. Once again, name the Panthers LT that played that well? For 90% of the snaps. It’s the same 2013 answer. This as a rookie, and a switch from RT in college. It sux that SHAQ, YGM, CMC, and without a doubt JC Horn are all done since they are missing.snaps. How deep you wanna drill down on this. Can’t wait to see the next set of rules.

Not true. It was 31-0 and SEA never had the ball with a chance to even tie the game.

Well he made for his horrible ability to cover any eligible receiver by putting full effort into the next missed tackle.

Regular Season Games Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct Career 739 0 0 2020 21 NYJ LT 77 14 13 691 70% 0 0% 0 0% 2021 22 NYJ ot 77 1 1 48 16% 0 0% 0 0% Becton up there. And he sucked because he was hurt going into the game. Hasn’t played since. And still is nowhere close to under 50% of snaps Willis down below. Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct Career 1150 0 69 2020 21 CLE LT 71 15 15 960 90% 0 0% 68 16% 2021 22 CLE ot 71 4 4 190 54% 0 0% 1 1% Care to explain the new math thatcame up with that fairy tale you just threw at the wall.

And since the standard is “showing promise”, especially at LT, I don’t possibly see how Willis and Becton aren’t I that group. Both were very good at pass blocking. And had to play LT. Wirfs is a beast, but had an easier position to play. I remember that draft. I was pissed and didn’t want D Brown playing for the Panthers Even though everyone at Auburn knew he was. The sweet spot in that draft was figuring out where the 3rd and 4th LT was being taken. I didn’t see much difference in them. Oops on Thomas(but Gettleman took the pressure off every by removing the bust(so far). Tampa found it. Imagine getting your new QB an OL he won’t get killed behind. I can easily see wanting one of them over DB just because of the situation of the team and OL. But I would caution that not long ago, what caused DB to be such a necessity. I think it was the worst run defense since 1985 by some metric. Which matched what we all saw. McCoy, Poe, Butler, KK not even attempting to do anything but get sacks. 2nd in the league in sacks. 2nd to last in points. That was the “we got 8 1st rounders, this is going to be great” defense as well.

CMCs career has been crazy. Especially me having no dog in the fight. when signing him became an issue. I was very against the pick, but CMC shoved the crow down my throat early in year 2. I can’t remember any topic on here where every opinion put forward made some sort of sense. All of them. Sign him. Best RB in the NFL. Trade him. Sell high to start rebuild. Make him wait. Probably a holdout and he would lose trade value instantly. And the answer sure isn’t to move him to a less valuable position. Running a few routes, in a mismatch on a S/LB, isn’t the same as facing a NCB on every route. Turning him into a better version of Cole Beasley, on a team with a 14M WR and coming soon a 20M WR. 5 Totals $30,122,927 13.53% Average $7,530,732 3.38% 1 Robby Anderson 29 WR $16,836,666 7.56% 2 D.J. Moore 25 WR $11,116,000 4.99% 3 Terrace Marshall 22 WR $1,302,156 0.58% 4 Shi Smith 24 WR $868,105 0.39% Add CMCs 14.3M(or 26.6M to trade/cut)to that and that’s around 20% of the entire cap for next year on a position that won’t matter if the OL can’t block. And now they need a good RB(or two) to go along with 4 OL spots, and possibly a QB. Plus replace/resign Jackson, Reddick, D.Jones, a FS, a LB on DEF. And Burns is gonna want paid after this year. With the Steelers giving Watt 28M/yr, that should be a fun negotiation. Just have to hope his luck changes again. He went 3 years mostly healthy. He’s still the best RB. Wait and pray he comes back close to 100% after y’all’s bye week. Take advantage of getting Hubbard some starter snaps and have him spell CMC more than has been done in the past. Keeping CMC out last year after he got hurt was one of the best moves this staff has made. If number of hits were the major problem, he just bought a year back from missing games the last two years. And after all that, I still believe there were no bad options. The best for the team would have obviously been letting him play out more of his contract before making a decision, but the ugly holdout would have made it tough on a new front office. While many are in panic-mode(with good reasons), there is no reason to devalue your own asset with a position switch. Especially one that would be tough enough to trade as it is, and eat 26.6M in dead cap.

Never forget the first time I saw that skit. OIL?????

What is the problem with Zeitler or Feiler? Zeitler has been above average for years. And Feiler has gotten better every year and can play RT as well. Either one could have been pursued for same amount as they guaranteed Erv and Elf. Instead the Panthers sign two injury-prone busts who have maybe one decent year between them, as soon as FA opened. Anyone else on that list getting 6M guaranteed ranked behind Miller and Reed. Miller is a 27yo who started all last year and not ONE other team would offer him anything but near vet minimum, even as a back up. But Elflein is worth what? And the staff went into the year with 3 spots on the OL manned by players no one else wanted. The Panthers could have easily signed both and changed the team for the better. 2 quality OGs for 7-8M a year each could have left them with a LT(BC) playing with 3 quality vets and Paradis for this year. Or drafted Slater and OL is a strength, not a glaring weakness, for the present and the future. As has already been stated, the sequence of events, and lack of effort or evaluation is the issue. There were options. Would have been much easier with the 70M+ the Panthers wasted last year.

When rumors are that “strong”, especially involving the draft, take it with all the grains of salt. Like you did. Who knows the exact reason but it never made sense. If the Panthers took Jones, this article would be about how the 49ers were scared y’all would take him. Or Denver. Schefter is as good as it gets, but he believed the wrong people on this. As did many people.

He’s still pissed he swallowed the hook so hard. What’s the difference in league sources now as opposed to then. NE wouldn’t trade up any to get him. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/2021-nfl-draft-adam-schefter-confident-49ers-pick-mac-jones-no-3%3famp

Neither did the Giants or Dave Megget from 30 years ago. I made my point that it’s a trick play(on any team)that in no way relates to a QBs mobility and effect on a DC game plan. I made my point several times. You, once again, have dodged why you made that statement beyond desperation. You started this. Not me.

Your the one who brought up a “stupid response” to a question you won’t even acknowledge you made. I’ll defend myself same as anyone would. Then added… “why am I not surprised”. Bringing the past into it. Your hypocritical self brought this stuff up. Was I supposed to just say “Ok, you’re right and we are all wrong?” Pick a move, pick a trade, cap issue, any discussion on the teams future, from the last 5 years. Let’s go to the tape if I am imagining all this. CMC is my only miss. So less talking. Let’s get to this. If it’s imagined, this should go quickly.

One would think if I wasn’t being truthful, since it happens so often, someone would take me up on what lies right here on this site. Why was I smart when bashing Hurney that you agreed with? Plenty of those threads. Why is it when I start a asking the questions of you, you go to default mode and do this. When people like you attack a posters “smarts”, I just point to the scoreboard as my resume. Once again, the Facts fail you.

Yep. Imagining results seems to work for you. But I know there is no way you would ever try to have a factual discussion. The uninformed never do.

Anyplace Anytime you want to test that knowledge and prove I’m stupid, let me know. Any football related topic. Or maybe we just look at all the Hurney threads where I was always right, according to you. Once I disagreed on something, I was a troll. Sort of how you tell people not to complain about the team, after you spent the last decade doing just that. I’ll put my record against you of any source, or reporter, or any kid in his moms basement that you would cite if it agrees with you.

I always forget you treat facts as stupid. But, I, and many others, showed you numerous times how there were many more than that. You asked. It got answered. And you stuck with “because I said so” no matter what. Comparing it to plays that rarely happen. That was good times….

For a ridiculous question on your part. Comparing an every couple of year moment against the importance of accounting for QB mobility on every snap. Not surprised either that you have talked your way into a box you can’t logically get out of. Just throw up statements like these to take the attention away from the facts.

When the last time a Panthers RB threw a pass? 2018? Comparing QB mobility equaling to a trick play is embarrassing.

Maybe we should compare Cam with Andy Dalton. Or Gabbert. So if a DC doesn’t run a spy(specifically), they don’t even think about anyone’s mobility besides Lamar? Good Lick with that.