Toomers

How are they baked? That’s exactly what they have spent, and are still committed to. And still don’t have a 2022 QB signed. 60M for a below average year, an awful half season, and a guy who was on the couch as the hope for the future.

He had a lot to say about the QB situation…. On the subject of the Carolina quarterback situation: The Panthers have acquired three quarterbacks in the last 20 months to replace Cam Newton, and it’s likely they will seek another one in the draft or trade or free-agent market in 2022. That’s a historic bit of quarterback-investing. The costly rundown: March 2020: Carolina cuts Cam Newton and signs Teddy Bridgewater to a three-year contract. April 2020: After releasing Bridgewater, Carolina trades for Sam Darnold. November 2021: After the failure of Darnold, and Darnold breaking his shoulder, Carolina signs Newton. Cost Paid By Carolina The breakdown of costs, according to Over The Cap, projecting 2021 compensation for Newton and including $18.8 million in guaranteed salary owed to Darnold in 2022: Bridgewater: $31,015,625 Darnold: $23,632,685 Newton: $6,000,000 Total: $60,648,310 By the way, $4.5-million guaranteed for Cam Newton? Why? Where was the competition for Newton? In 2020, when Newton was a free agent and not tarnished nearly to the point he is now, New England paid him $3.75 million for a full season. Now the Panthers pay him at least $4.5 million for a half-season, and as much as $6 million. Traded By Carolina To acquire Darnold, Carolina traded a sixth-round pick in 2021 and second-round and fourth-round picks in 2022. The sixth-round pick was traded by the Jets in a package to Kansas City and used to pick starting guard Trey Smith, one of the bright spots of day three of the ’21 draft. The two 2022 picks sacrificed in the Darnold deal figure—based on today’s standings—to be around 48th and 114th overall. Those are the picks that Carolina will be missing next April. The Future For Carolina I think it’s great the Panthers full-circled Cam Newton back to the team he brought to the Super Bowl six years ago. The end for him and the franchise was messy, and this is the opportunity to give Newton the chance to win back the job he’ll always feel was taken from him. Good luck to him; he’s an electric player, potentially, and maybe he’ll rekindle what he once was in the next two months. But I doubt the Panthers, deep down, view Newton as more than a stop-gap, and I doubt after what they’ve seen they view a healthy Darnold as the man they want as QB1 next August. I think it’s most likely the Panthers go to market for their next quarterback. If the Panthers trade for Deshaun Watson next March, it will cost at least three first-round picks. If they trade for another high-profile quarterback, such as Aaron Rodgers, it would very likely involve the first-round pick in 2022. So if the Panthers do trade for an established starter, it would leave them without first-round, second-round and fourth-round picks in 2022. That would mean Carolina would have one pick in (approximately) the top 150 of next year’s draft, and that pick would be midway through the third round, about 80th overall. Let’s say Carolina acquires Watson, and it costs three first-round picks, a second-rounder, and a proven veteran—say, defensive tackle Derrick Brown or wideout D.J. Moore. If a trade similar to that would happen, Carolina, to find its long-term quarterback, would have paid four first-round picks (Brown and Moore both were first-rounders), two second-round picks, a fourth and a sixth, plus $54.6 million that it cost for the Bridgewater and Darnold experiments. I bet in NFL history, finding a franchise quarterback never cost that much in total. The Bottom Line Carolina has committed $60.6 million for quarterback play in 2020 and ’21 (including money owed to Darnold, unlikely to be the starter in 2022), employed the 21st-rated passer in the league in ’20 and 29th-rated passer in ’21, and is 9-16 in those two seasons. Wrong on Bridgewater, wrong on Darnold, we’ll see on a tarnished Newton. Barring Newton turning back the clock six years, the team will likely not have the quarterback of the long-term future on the roster when the 2022 offseason begins. Per Forbes, Panthers owner David Tepper is the 142nd-richest man in the world, with a net worth of about $15.8 billion. He doesn’t have to spend it all looking for a quarterback.

Being “in” on every deal isn’t always a good thing. Especially when he was part of the process that exercised the option for no reason.

Is there a place I should go to get my keycard and parking spot back? Am I still a troll…lol.

That’s because that LT had about 19M less guaranteed salary attached.

So your “explanation” is they picked up the option because it looked better after giving up so much draft capital. Something that has nothing to do with the option. Whose ego needed stroked this much? Darnold? Rhule? The fans? Part of Darnolds value was having only a 5M salary and nothing to cut if it didn’t work. They had one year to decide. If he goes Tannehil, he would be getting something similar(or lower) on his first year than 19M. Where is the financial upside? At all? Much less to bet 19M on it. And considering this front office just did the same thing with another QB the year before and got burned, it really makes it unforgivable.

Who was on an almost 1,000yd pace when traded. With a 2M salary and a non-guaranteed 9M 5th year option. Not comparable.

What kind of pick do you expect for an overpaid WR?

You ready to give up a 2nd round pick like HOU did? One that they already traded for Darnold? And CLE was in full tank mode from the second the off-season started, so the team(and fans) knew what to expect.

That’s my bad. I forgot your allergic to facts.

You mean besides Rhule? Didn’t matter. He was the only one making that decision. And seems to have had a pretty good idea about his decision as soon as he got the job. Who else are people trying to blame for it? Is there an actual name or fact you’re looking for? Maybe Rhule was lying to the reporter. That’s happened before.

How about meeting with Teddy as soon as he got the job. In NO, after the Sugar Bowl. Rhule and Cooper were at the Saints' practice facility late in December preparing Baylor to face Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. Just over a week later, Rhule was headed to Carolina to begin the journey into the NFL they once joked about. Follow the NFL all season long Everything you need this week: • Full schedule » | Standings » • Depth charts for every team » • Transactions » | Injuries » • Football Power Index rankings » More NFL coverage » On that day, Rhule hung around to talk to Bridgewater after the quarterback finished his post-practice regimen of throwing to receivers to perfect his timing. Again, the coach saw all the traits he was looking for in a quarterback. He later shared those thoughts with Carolina’s scouting department. He had Brady in the fold by then, and their relationship made it clearer Bridgewater was the guy to succeed Newton. https://www.espn.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/34244/teddy-bridgewater-becoming-to-panthers-what-drew-brees-is-to-saints

It doesn’t take much to install a basic plan for a vet. Especially one that can be a running threat. And he’s played with the top Wr, RB and well…TE.

I just got wind of it. And if it has been leaked, that means the Panthers made their decision by deciding to even call his agent. And Cam is in no position to say no, or he can’t claim he just needs a chance. It almost has to happen now that it’s “out” there.

Good point. And at least a team believed that Teddy could still be a “bridge” starter. And still only took 3M of his salary. Don’t see another team bailing the Panthers out for a backup, if that?

Check the date of the article. 2017. Now it’s guaranteed no matter what. The real problem with the team exercising it was there was no upside to it. At all. Best case he goes “Tannehill” and they sign him long-term. And his cap hit in the first year would probably be less than the 19M anyway. If Darnold was playing great right now, it still wouldn’t make any sense to have done it. Now, for the 2nd year in a row, they are going to be trying to get a team to pay 2-3M for Darnold to be their backup while the Panthers eat the rest. Just like Teddy.

Instead of going after two of the worst options available, in both level of play and injury history, could have easily used that 14.5M guaranteed for Kevin Zeitler and/or Matt Feiler. Both signed for about 7.5M a year. Average was their floor. Instead that went to two players who have maybe one season between them that would be considered close to average. When they were actually healthy. Add that the planned starter at LG(Miller) was a FA and couldn’t get any offer above vet minimum after starting all last year. And still no team thought he was worth anything as a 27 year old starter for multiple seasons. The excuse that there were no options is just plain false. The problem is Rhule the GM has made it very difficult on Rhule the HC. From day one.

So they traded for a damaged player with an injury that keeps coming back? But will heal with a “proper” off-season as opposed to the 0ff-season he just had that evidently didn’t do the job?

You have to convince a team he is worth the 8M guaranteed base salary he has for next year. Since the Panthers would eat 18M in dead cap, he’s not a huge risk to a team that acquires him. They could walk away for nothing after 2022. Maybe someone takes a chance. I just wouldn’t expect much.

None. His contract didn’t run out. They would have to cut him. You don’t get comp picks for players you cut.

There is an opt out on any contract, every year. It’s just deciding if it is worth it. And this isn’t even valid information as his restructure isn’t on there. The correct one is below. 12.8M dead cap after a 14M hit for 2022. Current Contract Christian McCaffrey signed a 4 year, $64,063,500 contract with the Carolina Panthers, including a $21,500,000 signing bonus, $38,162,500 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,015,875. In 2021, McCaffrey will earn a base salary of $990,000, a restructure bonus of $7,047,500 and a workout bonus of $200,000, while carrying a cap hit of $6,899,500 and a dead cap value of $33,537,500. CONTRACT TERMS:4 yr(s) / $64,063,500 SIGNING BONUS$21,500,000 AVERAGE SALARY$16,015,875 GTD AT SIGN:$30,062,500 TOTAL GTD:$38,162,500 FREE AGENT:2026 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING WORKOUT RESTRUCTURE CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2020 24 $825,000 $6,969,782 - - $7,794,782 $32,732,282 $22,337,274($22,337,274) 2021 25 $990,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $6,899,500 $33,537,500 $8,237,500($30,574,774) 2022 26 $8,400,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $14,309,500 $26,638,000 $8,600,000($39,174,774) POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 3 YR, $39,174,774; $12,828,500 DEAD CAP 2023 27 $11,800,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $17,709,500 $12,828,500 $12,000,000($51,174,774) 2024 28 $11,800,000 $4,300,000 $200,000 $1,409,500 $17,709,500 $7,119,000 $12,000,000($63,174,774) 2025 29 $12,000,000 - $200,000 $1,409,500 $13,609,500 $1,409,500 $12,200,000($75,374,774) 2026 30 UFA Contract Notes: $30M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2020 salary + $7.7M of 2021 salary) $8.1M of 2022 salary fully guarantees on 3/21/2021 (injury guaranteed now) $1M of 2023 salary guaranteed for injury

Brown was double teamed the 6th most of any DL last year. I’d call that accounting for him. And propping up Star just further a my point. How many sack or pressures did he have. But he was still worth the pick. You are the one who doesn’t understand all this because it “what about sacks” and nothing else.

Depends what rumor you want to believe? Was Hurney the “driving force” behind the Teddy signing and 34M guaranteed contract. Or was he in “love” with Hebert because he was the only guy that went to watch him work out. So he convinced the team to overpay a bridge QB even though he supposedly “loved” Hebert? Truth probably is they believed in TB and would have taken Brown over Hebert even if he fell. You don’t pay a “mentor” that much. And Hurney had as much say as many of us did.

When pass rush win rate was referenced, you claimed “what about a sacks? ”. Suh had 4 sacks his second year? Did he not play well or was he double-teamed constantly like Brown is? You just do your usual move the goalposts and “chuck” out any info that doesn’t fit the agenda.