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But they are still paying RA 16.8M in 2022 just to cut him at that number in 2023. 20M for a player who was extended AFTER the new 2nd round pick WR was chosen over OL. And before taking care of Moore. It’s still crazy. How anyone in this organization still has a job is beyond me.

It’s not about what you have. It’s about what you need. The Saints have spent a decade trying to win in their HOF QBs window. The Packers are doing it every in year too. With both having quality players at almost every position. The Panthers have been awful 3 years. The Panthers have huge holes at almost every position, no depth and most importantly, no QB. They wasted about 80M in 2021 and just those two you mentioned was 40-50M last year. What would 130M added to this roster? Instead of Teddy, KK, Okung, Boston,Weatherly, Sam, RA extension. Not even counting giving a guy the biggest RB deal…ever.

That the Panthers have about 28M to fill numerous spots. And only one pick that should realistically help next year. For now. And that draft class will cost 6-7M. So now they have 20M to find a QB, 3 OL, FS, DT, LB, plus another TE. How is half that on one player going to fix all this. I’ve been telling folks for two years he has been killing y’all with almost every move. I don’t even have a clue how to fix it besides burning it down. But spending and restructuring is the last thing and why it’s like this.

Exactly. 6M for 8 games. There was a reason teams weren’t jumping at the chance. NE was going to cut him just to not pay him that.

Where is all this cap space coming from? And why would anyone pay that much for Reddick and Gilmore?

And there in lies the problem. Doing the same thing they have done for years, and expecting it to work. Which deals are getting restructured? CMC again(that’s going well). Shaq had a good half a year and he already has his loaded with dead cap. Moton who already has 39M in dead cap. This is why the roster sucks and there no resource to fix it quickly short of some lotto sized luck. Also need FS, DT, MLB, and any sort of depth.

Is there a new salary cap you’re going by?

Since you’re about the only other poster with a grasp of the salary cap, I was wondering if you could check my statements in this thread? Please tell me if I anything I said was incorrect. And maybe some comments on the “dissenting” opinions….

Where do you think all that restructure money went. They did it in 2018 as well. Resulting in base salaries of 13M for 2020 and 2021. And 17M on dead cap to account for. Plenty of threads from when it happened. I never said one time Samir restructured. But they gave him 13M for 2020 and still had to eat 17M over 2020-2021. You’re answering questions I never asked. Mainly because you know you can’t dispute the real ones. We had so many discussion on this I don’t even have to look it up. But we can go to the tape any time you want.

Was Samir not here in the Summer of 2020 when they gave KK anther year? Or did he happen to miss work that day. @stbugs will gladly tell you the same thing. And like you calling Samir a “savage”, there is just no evidence it’s true. The umber are on the freakin page. Plain as day. What did I specifically get wrong. I’ve had no problem showing you and the other one foolish.

NVM.

And part of that restructure was 13M in base salary. He already had 17M in dead cap. So instead of only paying(cap wise) 17M to cut him. They gave him 13M which made it 30M for that last couple games. I’m sure he had nothing to do with anything wrong. Or maybe anything at all. Or is it just the good moves. This front office says a lot of things that aren’t true. Someone different is in charge of every move. Here’s Robbie’s deal. 16.8M for 2022. You have to pay him this year if you want to cut him 3.8M. That’s 20.6M. Or you can cut him now for a 15M. 15M you didn’t owe before the extension. And he ever played a snap past his first deal. Great move. Current Contract Robby Anderson signed a 2 year, $29,500,000 contract with the Carolina Panthers, including a $11,510,000 signing bonus, $20,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $14,750,000. In 2022, Anderson will earn a base salary of $10,000,000, a roster bonus of $2,800,000 and a workout bonus of $200,000, while carrying a cap hit of $16,836,666 and a dead cap value of $15,673,334. CONTRACT TERMS:2 yr(s) / $29,500,000 SIGNING BONUS$11,510,000 AVERAGE SALARY$14,750,000 GTD AT SIGN:$20,500,000 TOTAL GTD:$20,500,000 FREE AGENT:2024 / UFA BONUS BREAKDOWN CAP DETAILS CASH DETAILS YEAR AGE BASE SALARY SIGNING ROSTER WORKOUT CAP HIT DEAD CAP YEARLY CASH 2021 28 $990,000 $7,836,666 - - $8,826,666 $24,500,000 $12,500,000($12,500,000) 2022 29 $10,000,000 $3,836,666 $2,800,000 $200,000 $16,836,666 $15,673,334 $13,000,000($25,500,000) POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 1 YR, $13,000,000; $3,836,668 DEAD CAP 2023 30 $8,800,000 $3,836,668 $3,000,000 $200,000 $15,836,668 $3,836,668 $12,000,000($37,500,000) 2024 31 UFA Contract Notes: $20.5M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2021 salary + $8M of 2022 salary) 2022 Roster Bonus: $2.8M 2023 Roster Bonus: $3M

Like they Both say. 28-30M. But you can trust whoever you feel has the best grasp on it.

Samir was hired 2 weeks after Rhule . He’s responsible for every move Matt’s made. He handed KK 13M to play a couple games when they could have gotten rid of him. Boston signed around the same time as CMC. Which Samir was on on both. Boston got cut and they still owe dead cap. Like I said, 1/9.5M for a player who barely made that much for the rest of his career..combined. You owe 20M to a WR who was awful. One who could be gone for free. So he has to improve on that suckage. Or it’s just wasted money. Just like dead cap. This doesn’t include Okung(13M for 6 games), Weatherly 1/8M. Erving, Elflein, Roberts, Apple. which ones didn’t waste money?

Show me this effective cap space number on the link I posted. Or yours. This is very simple. 208M( like every one) 4.7 rollover. 212.7M total 177M(top 51) 7M. 184M total Leaves 28 like Both sites say. But it’s you who’s right.

This is easier. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

And included it twice you were so proud. Why is Sportrac saying around 28-29M as well. Who, besides you, is claiming there is some magic 13M. It’s right there below link below.

The 13M is already included n the 2022 cap number. Then you roll it over again. I don’t need to read articles to know any of this.

Every contract has an out every year. It’s just how much it will cost.

Robbie Anderson has 20M still guaranteed. And he sucked. So that’s 20M for 3-4M dead cap. Darnold(19M). No reason. 31M guaranteed for the first QB. 13M for KK for no reason. CMC signs richest RB contracts ever. Plays 10 games(in 2 years) Tre Boston 9.5M for one year. Think they could have gotten a decent OL with all that wasted space?

It’s always a good idea to restructure deals in a year when it’s obvious the team isn’t going to playoffs.

What has he ever done? Except be part of the team that has wasted tons of cap space to get an even worse team than they took over.

Then just explain how you get a n extra 13M that doesn’t exist. You really want to do this?

You don’t really understand void years do you? And where is this 13.7M coming from? Which makes every number irrelevant.