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NE ate all their cap issues last year. Plus a bunch of opt outs. They were going into the season with Jarret Stidham at QB and a ton of cap space to carry over. Even paid Gilmore early so he would be easier to get rid of this year. That’s a tank. Until they signed Cam. Even then they just went with whatever they had. And when Edelman got hurt and D. Byrd was his top WR, they didn’t run out and spend money. Where do you think they got all that money to sign 2 WRs, 2 TEs, and Judon and more. So wasting 80M in cap space, in one off-season, isn’t as important as a winning culture. Because that sure didn’t work and has put the team in an even worse position than it was when this was started. Which one of those players they overpaid was going to instill that on a young team?

Exactly. When you do it as an overall plan, a turnaround can happen quickly. Just like the 5 examples in the last decade I’ve given. What’s the last team to do it and remain picking top 5-10. If its rare that tanking works, should be plenty to choose from. And they sure did get rid of a bunch of old, overpriced vets. But that’s not scorched earth when the team spends all its cap space on useless different vets.

That’s not because they tanked. It was just as much incompetence from trying to just be competitive. From horrible front offices. The Raiders did on 2018, then went 7-9,8-8, and 10-7 this year. So that’s 5. What specific years did these teams just tank for picks and cap space?

That’s 4. CLE, MIA, INDY, CAR You haven’t shown one team that tanked and stayed bad.

I don’t think we are. You said scorched earth rarely works. But very few teams have tried and the last couple got better in a year or two. So did the 2011 Colts for Luck. And this very team in 2010. That worked out.

Neither is building a team to finish 5-11and wasting 80M for the “culture”

Then they proceeded to pay 34M for a borderline starter at QB. 13M on KK. 13M on Okung. 9.5M on Boston. CMC to biggest RB deal ever. 8M for Weatherly, 4.5M for Miller. That’s not rebuilding. CLE and MIA had no problem getting back to solid teams after tearing it down. Scorched earth would have provided plenty of money and options to fix the OL and QB. Trying to be below average has gotten the team to where it is now.

And as I’ve pointed out since before they did it, there was no logic applied to any of it. No matter how he performed. If this was their logic, none of them should ever work in a NFL front office again.

If it took two, how much do you think it would cost to keep him for that second year? Being that he had to have had an average year , at best, if you need another year to decide. Sure wouldn’t be 19M. As I’ve said since April, this was the most illogical cap related move I can remember any team making.

Why was it a requirement? Just because the team traded picks for a project. Him only costing 4.7M for a year long tryout was the purpose. What rule says a team must double down on something with no upside. As I’ve explained many times, before this happened and even today, there was no upside. If he goes Tannehill(unlikely but best case) he signs a 30M/year contract with a first year probably less than the 19M they guaranteed him. So where was the financial logic in any of this decision making? Giving guarantees to justify a horrible trade is not a requirement in the NFL. It a shotgun to the stomach.

With one GM: 51-28-1 4 playoffs in 5 years With other GM: 25-39 not even a .500 season.

Just a heads up. The Steelers OL is just as bad as the Panthers. Difference is they have the cap space and draft picks to attempt to fix it. Panthers….not so much.

Or spend 60M on rehab projects and pray they become something they have never been.

Please explain this logic behind the Darnold extension? What was there to gain?

If only he was a dual threat he might win one. I was told that he wasn’t by the expert on here.

They had for sure HOFer Hunter Henry. At least that’s the way he’s been described over the past 5 years when spoken of not drafting him. And another TE just like him. The rookie QB is the problem.

That’s not how it works. You can’t just spread dead cap out without redoing the entire deal.

Any team trading for CMC is only acquiring a 8.1M guaranteed base salary for this year. Then they can let him go for no cap hit. But that’s a 18.5M dead cap hit on this year’s cap. Post 6/1 just kicks part of it until next year, but it counts the same. Any base salaries after this year are irrelevant. He will be gone by then either way. The out next year is the 12M in dead money they would still have to account for. This involves paying him 14M this year. You might find a trade, but it won’t be much, and it will sting no matter what. This is what restructuring contracts leads to.

So a team is going to pay 12.8M next year for a pain in the ass WR coming off his worst season, and give a draft pick for the privilege? Good Luck with that. And after reading the rest, everyone is overvalued. AJ Bouye is ridiculous.

I stopped reading at Robbie Anderson and 2nd round-4th round. Sorry.

This is the NFL. Not CFB. You have to put more on that or most NFL safeties will get over there and do what Hyde did. Same lack of arm strength that has been apparent the second half of the season. That’s exactly what people were referring to with his lack of arm strength.

That whistle came when the ball was two feet from Boyd’s hands and the DB had already stopped. That whistle changed nothing that would have happened anyway. The DB gave up because he was beat the ball was past him already. Quit bitching about every call. They got the timeout correct as well.

If you see my point, then it totally invalidates Fits answer. There was absolutely no financial upside to exercising the option. It’s like putting $20 on a hand of blackjack that if you win you get nothing. Lose and your 20 is gone. Would you play at that table?

What possible gain was there from giving him that 19M guaranteed. Even if he was Tannehill and signs a 30M/year deal, the first year would have been even less than 19M. So why bet 19M on a scenario that wasn’t likely and had no benefit. Just another cop out.

Sure. Because all teams should evaluate coaches on one play as opposed to his entire body of work.