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Yep. Because Wilson was so good last year without Payton.

When did this happen?

How do you figure the Panthers get 4M next year? They still have to account for the almost 4M from all his void years. Much like Chark and his 3M. That’s 7M in dead cap already.

What was Fitts job then? Did Ruhle set the terms of the contract? Or was it Tepper this time? It gets hard to tell when Fitt was a cuckold peeking through the bedroom door and when he was saving the franchise with 6th-7th round picks that still have come up yet 2 years later.

RA signed a 2/20M deal in 2020. Had a good first season. Then, for no reason, they gave him an 2/29.5M extension AFTER drafting TMJ. With 20M guaranteed. He sucked all of 2021, then flamed out in 2022. Getting a near useless draft pick for a guy you wasted all that on is not a good thing for anyone. Here are the details. Anderson joined Carolina in 2020 on a two year, $20 million contract during free agency. Anderson had a softer than expected market so the Panthers took a chance and for one season it worked out with Anderson putting up a career best 1,096 yards and 95 receptions. Even though it was not a one year “prove it” deal the Panthers treated it as such and quickly extended Anderson after the season to a new contract worth $14.75 million a season. This would be a disaster for the team as Anderson only had 519 yards in 2021. Rather than paying the original $8 million salary and then letting him walk after a poor season, the new extension saw the team pay $12.5 million in 2021 and then an additional $12.31 million this year. For that extra $16.31 million in cash and cap the Panthers got 6 additional games, 13 receptions, 206 yards, and a touchdown of production.

Yep. Getting a 7th round pick for a player you gave 16M for 6 games was a real coup.

You mean like When he had Reddick on the other side and got 9 sacks? Impressive.

If only someone could have seen all this incompetence coming from day one? Oh wait….

You’re the one that offered to do the Venn diagram for someone. When it came to actually backing up your BS, you tapped out immediately to the “not worth my time” deflection. Well done.

Rudolph is no better. Nothing will change.

What exactly have you said. One post says that you never said what you already said more than once. Yet can’t come up with anything to make a point in your favor. Or debate the many facts I’ve already brought to the table. Excuse me if I believe more than “because you say so”.

He’s not going anywhere THIS year. This mess continues next year and it’s a different story. I’m stuck between a long successful history and the worst 3 game stretch I’ve ever seen as a Steeler fan. They wouldn’t listen when I told them it was a huge mistake to hire Pat Meyer and Frisman Jackson off of the pitiful 2021 Panthers offense. Add Matt Canada and you get what we have seen.

Do you actually believe Tomlin didn’t have a say in player evaluations for the draft picks?

Didn’t say what? You said he had exceptional talent at EVERY position. In a post directly above. Did you not? And if Cowher gifted him a SB, tell us how? I showed who they had, which sure wasn’t exceptional. Especially an OL that was considered the worst ever for a team that won the SB. I believe what I saw and the facts. You can try the Venn diagram if it helps.

I don’t care what he might do here. But to pretend his success is all from Cowher, a QB who was maybe the 5th best QB on his best years in a conference with Brady and Manning, and a HOF S is comical. Big Ben threw for 3,300 yds with 17 TDs and 15 INT in the SB winning season. How is that carrying anything? And a far cry from “exceptional” talent at every position.

Who were these players that were exceptional at every position? Cowher went 8-8 with “his” players the year he retired. Tomlin won his SB two years later. The offense had Rashard Mendenhall, Santonio Holmes, the remains of Hines Ward, and a bad OL. And has kept the team winning through all those years despite never drafting in the top half of any round without trades. The Panthers had a good 2008. Since then they have had THREE non-losing seasons. Tomlin has 14.

I was being kind. I’d take Sweat at the same price every time.

That tag and trade will be much harder than people are thinking. No one will pay him 30M if the team that put his value there won’t. Then give up picks to do it. And he won’t sign the tag without having accepted a new deal from someone. Which means he is going to have to take much less than he wants. Montez Sweat for a 2nd and a 24M/yr deal. And he is every bit as good as Burns. Why would teams give more than that?

He can’t be traded until he signs. Which he won’t unless another team agrees to his terms, while knowing they have to give up two firsts if the Panthers don’t match. I’m not seeing how the Panthers get anything of value in return at this point.

Because Burrow just became the highest paid QB. Last year, Burrow,Chase and Higgins counted a combined 17.5M last year. And still only combine for 32M this year. And two DEs as good or better than Burns at less than Burns wants by himself. The Panthers have 55.75M in dead cap this year. The Bengals have 3M. That’s the difference.

You don’t have to tell me his faults. I’ve watched his whole career. I, and every Steeler fan, had a party when the Bears gave a 2nd for him. But he has been productive in the NFL. Something TMJ has never been. And the Big Ben he played wasn’t a HOFer or even close.

I wouldn’t have minded the Steelers throwing a 6th to get a close up look at him for the rest of the season.

I was speaking of the 4-5th price you originally stated. Which is why I added the edit. And Claypool had more production his rookie year than TMJ has his whole career.