Toomers

That’s what confused me from an outside perspective. Signing and guaranteeing 14.5M to two of the worst OL in the NFL and not really filling a hole at any OL position with a quality option. You want versatile? Matt Feiler played for the Steelers and played very good at RT one season and very good at LG the next. I railed against letting him walk, but the Steelers ran their cap like the Saints with Ben and AB so they didn’t have room. He gets 3/21M with 14.5M guaranteed. Played very well for a much improved Charger OL. Kevin Zeitler was another. Now you have those same two OL and the Panthers are doing everything to get them of the field. Erving might as well be on a milk carton. When is the last time anyone even brought his name up. This year, Corbett fills a hole for multiple years. Bozeman fills a hole with a quality option. Still can’t figure out the one year but I imagine it will be explained. Erving and Elflein would cost 9M in dead cap to cut, if they didn’t restructure Elfin. So y’all should feel better about whatever has changed.

That I believe. I hire people smarter than me and aren’t afraid to disagree with me. Everyone has a 90 day probation period and if they do nothing but be a yes man(person), I really have no use for them. Of course if they know you won’t consider what they say with any value, you get the situation you described last year.

You are correct. Good call. I explained it earlier almost exactly how you did. I know I mess with y’all some, but I never wanted him in CAR. Was hoping he would go to NO just so people that think the salary cap is a myth would see what was/and still is about to happen. But CLE is a great surprise. They had built a good team and just needed to settle the QB position with a solid option. And stay healthy. Now their fate is tied to someone I have no faith in being able to stay out of situations that will put him back in this position again. And he’s not over this one yet. He sits half a year and an entire season of all that talent disappears. The Steelers signed Mitch Trubisky and I’m still happy. So there is that.

I am. Ecstatic. But I’m not sure we are on the same page as to why? Why do you think I’m thrilled?

Even if there is nothing but settlements with no disclosure of anything, he got 22 cases pending. Ben got 4 games for 2 cases and Jameis got 3 games for “groping” an Uber driver. If he only get 8 games he’s lucky.

For the better part of a decade. But you knew the answer when you asked.

To be fair, lots of people with(and without) connections are questioning why Rhule is still employed by the Panthers at all.

Could be another valid reason. I haven’t followed it enough to know. I was going under the assumption they would be settled before the season. And if they aren’t, we have to wonder what sort of protests could come? If any at all? So many variables that could wreck this. And how does a HC even speak to him? The coach pisses him off in any way and guess who’s leaving? Not the QB with the guaranteed contract.

Favre was actually playing really well for the Jets until week 12 or so. The Jets had just stomped the undefeated Titans on the road and were 8-3 with Favre getting MVP consideration. But he hurt his shoulder the next week and they(and he) did look terrible after that. Brady is just the anomaly. The outlier. Five years ago, he was getting stomped in the SB by the Falcons and when he threw a pick 6, he tried to make a tackle and it looked like someone threw a dead body out of a moving vehicle. Every person watching cringed and two hours later, he led the greatest comeback in SB history. And has won 2 more since. I don’t think I’ve ever wanted him to win a game, but he’s got my total respect and should play until he’s at least not a top 5 QB anymore. Which he has last year. Remember when it was fun to discuss the best QB ever. Now that discussion is whose after Brady.

Don’t ever watch the Showtime special about him. I mean I knew, but I didn’t know.

I have a feeling that Berry wasn’t the one who ultimately made this decision. Or they wouldn’t have had to come back with this offer. Haslem had to at least approve. And Berry would have to have some big brass ones to even suggest this amount guaranteed to an owner. Have to admit I thought/hoped HOU would take more picks and some players. Shocked there are no 2nds

They stole my theory…lol. Well put it out there first not stole. But this was one of many reasons to not do this deal. Was Watson willing to change his entire social life. Not massages. Clubs or any partying where you can be accused of something and any picture from the wrong angle and a just ONE woman who wants some money, and the Panthers are stuck in this mess with a lot more money at stake. I don’t know what Ben R. did, and I’ve thought he was a D-bag before the accusations, but he got married to a Dr. and never put himself in the position to be accused again. Is Watson going today to do that in CLE. Edit: And there is no telling what any womens rights groups might have planned. Maybe nothing. I have no clue. But it’s 2022 and I would never speak for what matters to anyone else. Add that to injury risk(like any player) and he could easily get pissed and pull this crap again on his new team. This year is basically shot if he gets suspended for 8 games. In a division with the Bengals, Ravens and Steelers it’s hard to imagine contending with him out half the year. The theory that Tepper would let him pick the next HC. Didn’t believe that, although please hire Brian Flores and get the Steelers two extra 3rds. He’s a very good/great player but that’s crazy. His resume isn’t loaded with rational decisions and it’s ridiculous to give a player control. Just sign the team over to him. If someone said would you give Watson 5/230M guaranteed before any of his off - field issues, is it an immediate yes? More than Mahomes or anyone? Even if you say well, ok, we can build around him. Whoa? Not so fast. You also lose the 5 best resources to help with that building. And possibly a valuable resource you already have. How about now? The Panthers were fortunate someone came to their senses They seem to be doing well in FA. Just keep making good decisions and the wins will come.

I just don’t understand why no one has ever taken you seriously?

I agree it had to be his decision. The Panthers had to want the extra years for multiple reasons. Just guessing it’s in the 6M range which is still a great deal for the team. Heck 3/24M with 10M guaranteed would have been good. Like you said, take the gift.

But he didn’t seem to fit that mold. And you would think he would have as well. Just early for prove it deals for a player I assume would have some options still.

I’m sort of shocked at the One year deal from either side. I thought he was a little overvalued in what he would get but he’s still a solid OL. Just seems strange that the team wouldn’t want him on at least two years for cap reasons. And guys don’t usually take “prove it” deals this early. He’s good and this is before knowing how much he even got. Just not a typical situation this early in FA. It would be hard for it to be an amount that makes it a bad risk in any way. And at 27, one would think the Panthers would want him tied up if he works out.

The news will reach Narnia later on today.

Just about… NO further destroyed their future. ATL pissed off their QB Panthers didn’t destroy future on unstable asset. Watson in another conference.

About the only thing I paid any attention to was the Saints cap, and y’all’s some. The Saints better hit every draft pick for a long time. People will soon find out there is a salary cap. They were counting on Watson bridging that talent gap that will be created in the coming years. Whatever made it not happen….be thankful for it.

Not making this trade will be one of the absolute best moves the Panthers have ever made. There are so many ways this can go bad, and as A Steelers fan, I’m ecstatic CLE was dumb enough to do this. They had a good thing going and have now bet the whole thing on a player with some many variables to implode. Enjoy the good fortune and build the team. I did want to see the Saints just fold up like cheap lawn furniture if they took him and his salary on, but I’ll enjoy the Browns demise even more.

He’s already taking up 2.6M of cap space this year. Surely not…lol

And stats without context is usually where you land. It’s the limit of your knowledge. Never mind their careers. Injuries. Targets. Catch %. Just off counting stats which are still pitiful. Take a poll. Ask how many Panther fans think Robby’s deal is not terrible. I just think your opinion and justifications of it are wrong and that’s my OPINION.

It may be. Just that Sportrac doesn’t show their terms and they are just listed at the bottom as blank for the moment.

I can look at Robinson being an actual WR1 on two different teams. Both with questionable QB play. And still having high quality seasons. And even hurt for a 1/3 of the year last season still played better with just as poor an offense and no DJ Moore drawing the attention. I can think it’s a terrible contract, and can show numerous reasons why. As I have. Including when it was signed last summer.

They also haven’t figured in Gonzalez, Woods, Haynes, Foreman.