Toomers

I assume that you “liked” those players based on performance. What are we basing his hiring of Fitt on?

Who picked the GM you want to keep. So how is that a point in his favor?

Yep. Hurney actually had experience and a track record that could be judged. And they both sacrificed tons of future cap space to build a bottom level team.

That’s not redoing his contract. That’s every contract. CMC isn’t redoing anything. I didn’t ask for a basic definition of dead money which is all you keep giving. You said he would have to redo his contract. And still haven’t shown any way that’s reasonable or necessary. We can discuss any players deal or teams salary cap anytime you want to prove I don’t know what I’m talking about.

What do you think that dead money of 18.3M on 2023 comes from? That’s the bonus money already paid. So once again. What does he have to redo about his contract, in order to be traded. What other dead money do the Panthers have to take on? One of us still doesn’t understand dead money and it sure ain’t me.

His contract is a 3 yr/36M to any team acquiring him. None guaranteed. Plus this year is for 575k. That’s where his “value” lies. It’s posted above if you need help. What needs changed? You can’t possibly make him cheaper to acquire when they are already making league minimum base salary? So where is this salary they are eating since it’s not the 18.5M they have to account for no matter what?

Don’t have to. He’s incompetent. Always has been.

How are the Panthers supposed to “eat” salary for two players with the league minimum base salaries? The dead money is gone. “Eating” salary would be like the Browns did with Baker, or Panthers did with Teddy.

And you’re back to default mode as usual. Figured I’d respond to both.

I understand everything about the salary cap. You made the statement. Why does he have to redo his contract to be traded? Simply explain if you know so much more about it than me.

Wrong and wrong. They don’t win now…with him. And please explain how he has to redo his contract to be traded?

Yep. When something is as ridiculously “biased” and just plain false as that rant, I just wanted to hear how he justified any of It. That’s usually where the fun starts.

None. Every vet contract is renegotiated already. There is no off-setting dead money. Once a player is off the roster, it hits. That’s why it’s not a good idea to kick the can on every player. Hard to get rid of them.

It’s going to be 18.5M before March, no matter what. Whatever amount that comes off this years(around 6M) is just less carry over so it’s all the same. It’s going to sting.

Fiction can be fun.

Sure. The 1-3 Saints that are stuck in Jameis limbo and can’t even cut/trade players because of their kicking the can for years. At least they were doing it to win a SB. Not to win 5 games a year.

Noll also took over a franchise that had never played in the postseason before. In almost 40 years. And the only way to build a team was the draft. No FA. So it took longer. No comparison to now.

The 5th is gone. It’s a 4th if he plays 70%. Sitting him doesn’t get the 5th back.

I thought it was a 5th rounder(no matter what) that became a 4th if he played 70% of snaps.

In the past they have. But things have also changed and with limited picks available, it’s changed the way you sign players. Bradberry and signing Bridgewater was more what you describe and it was/and still is blasted for how bad a move it was. Plus the bonus of basically giving the 3rd to the Saints for Teddy. But paying him 31M for a below average season and a late pick hurt much worse. Under the current system, Bradberry would have been a 4th at best.

Those players are all starters. Woods is solid for the price. Wilson fills a huge need. Corbett seems to be doing well according to most on here. And Bozeman got hurt. Who you giving up. Bozeman is either highly overrated or still going to be a steal. But the Panthers would have been crazy not to sign him. It’s still one of the strangest deals I’ve seen a player take.

So you would rather have a pick at the end of 4th-5th round than Corbett. I’ve been as critical as anyone about how they wasted them in the past. But the only valuable ones are hard to come by now. Reddick would have gotten a 4th IF the Panthers signed no one. But there is no reason to hesitate signing proven help for picks in the back end of the draft.

They actually are now. With minority promotions taking the 3rds, there are very few going to teams for players. Only two teams got a 3rd this year. It’s projected for only 3 in 2023(and only one 4th). If it isn’t a 3rd, it doesn’t really matter.

Yep. Hash pipe illusion based dream scenario. The Steelers went into the season with Trubiskey as the bridge starter until a rookie QB is ready. No one was thinking Super Bowl to begin with. 9-10 wins was always the ceiling. That was before TJ Watt got hurt. The Rooneys don’t overreact to one season when they have a proven HC. Cowher had 3 losing seasons(2 in a row) and they never even thought about parting ways. And as stated above, Tomlin sure ain’t going anywhere now that he’s in control of what he wants to be. He was interviewing the GMs this time. Not being hired by one.

I’d rather take my chances with Skylar Thompson if it was a choice between him and Darnold.