Toomers

So one specific trade means every team in the league feels the same way. Where are all these videos we were promised? A poll from the summer that doesn’t include many players who have passed him. Highsmith, Reddick, Sweat, Hendrickson, Judon, Lawrence, Hunter.

No. You gave mid round examples. Do you feel those are similar to trading 2–3 1sts for a QB. In the draft. You believe a team would rather have a 2nd and a 3rd this year over a first in 24 and 25? Thinking like that is how you wind up with Everette Brown. 1st round talent will still be superior a majority of the time whenever and however the picks used.

He a top ten what? DL? How can someone who is a liability on 40% of his snaps be a top 10 DL? He’s nowhere close. Even if it’s just Edge players he’s not.

So value wise, every team should trade its future 1sts for 2nd round picks in the current draft?

Why? Josh Uche has 11.5 sacks in 350 snaps. Justin Houston(3.5M) has 9 in 387 snaps. Plenty more. And I can almost guarantee they would play the run as well or better than Burns. Sacks are overrated. The 2019 defense was beyond horrible and they were 2nd in the league in Sacks. Crazy is turning down all that draft capital for the privilege of paying a player well over what he’s worth.

Considering you can replace Burns AND improve another position with just the money you would overpay Burns, the picks are bonus. A big bonus. And what’s the difference when they are as far as the team is concerned. First rounders will have value until they are used. If you’re trading up for a QB, those future firsts have way more value than a 2nd or 3rd this year. And pick 37 is about as close to a first as you will get. What’s your next deflection point? This is fun.

Maybe someone would. Wouldn’t be me. I’ve been here 4X as long as you and have predicted so many things about the Panthers, correctly, it’s almost scary. The evidence is all on here. Most from a time you didn’t exist. So you think that they will get a similar offer for Burns again. That is not happening. He’s a 16M DE now. Not a 4M one. Who is going to have to be signed to a huge extension. That extra first and second are gone. Best they will get is a first, and even that’s debatable.

There it is. Like clockwork. Any dissenting opinion brings the “why are you here” whining. And who said Burns is average. Saying he deserves 16-18M/yr instead of 25M doesn’t scream average. It’s just where he fits with other top pass rush specialists. No one I’ve compared Burns to is average. And as I stated, Reddick is an EXAMPLE. There are many others who have signed similar deals to what Burns should get. Now stop deflecting and tell me why overpaying Burns is better than 25-30M/yr and two 1sts and 37th pick this year. Those Steelers found a replacement for Bud Dupree pretty quick with the 102nd pick. And he’s better than Burns already.

Absolute desperation. His salary and position made him a target and their window was slamming shut. A coach who’s ready to bail out. Donald thinking about retirement. Stafford hurt. OL got bad fast. McVay was looking for one last ride. Yet the Panthers couldn’t accept the gift and had to turn down a winning lottery ticket.

I’m saying you are downplaying his value with those statements. Which is what their intention was. Right? You remove one DE(Burns) and there’s enough money to get a pass rush specialist like Reddick, Smith Judon…etc AND a solid 3 down DE on the other side. What are you putting over there with a 27M/yr Burns? Still the same hole to fill with less money and 3 less quality picks. Would Reddick have stayed to play for his college coach who gave him the chance in 2021 that no one else would. Who knows? It’s irrelevant. There are many others that have signed similar deals in the last two seasons. Reddick is an example of a player similar to Burns. Except no one wants to pay him 25M for …..reasons. The only hypothetical scenario tied in knots here is the “we should overpay him because” theory that somehow believes Burns should be paid like Bosa, Watt and Garrett. And turning down 3 quality picks is the price to pay him.

Reddick had 12.5 sacks in 2020 with ARI. Who were their talented players that were the reason for that?

That’s on you. And the poster you agreed with who insinuated that people didn’t “understand” when they actually did. It’s been common knowledge and rehashed in numerous threads on here for two months.

Once again, why can’t you replace Burns with the 25-30/yr you now have. Since you don’t have to overpay a one dimensional DE to be something he’s not? Would you rather have a Reddick/ Bozeman combo or a Burns/Eflien-type combo. Which is better for the team overall? Not only is that part easy to choose, but now you have 3 premium picks on top of already improving the team. Starting with pick 37(or so) this year. Then two extra(and likely top half 1st rounders to trade for a QB or take two more quality players on rookie deals. That’s 5 quality players for not overpaying Burns. Explain how that is better for the team? It’s is amazing how this fanbase falls in love with players.

I think you are both completely lost. Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports is reporting that the Rams offered their 2024 first rounder, 2025 first rounder and a second round pick in 2023 in exchange for Burns.

What about the 2nd that is pick #35-37 this year? Something I’m not understanding about that?

So maybe it’s a better idea to invest in multiple DEs instead of paying 25-30M to the guy who needs help already. You give a DE that much and he supposed to make the player on the other side better. Get some actual 3 down DEs. Then take those picks and trade up or for a QB without mortgaging the future. Or use them and build a complete team. How is keeping Burns and overpaying him a better option than 5 quality players( on rookie deals)

Are the Panthers not allowed to buy 15-17M/yr DEs like so many teams have the last two years. Reddick C. Jones z. Smith Hendrickson Hunter Judon Nwosu With 25-30M and 3 picks you can pick anyone and still have leftover money and draft capital

That’s also many more snaps to accumulate sacks. Burns has 12.5 sacks in 951 snaps. Reddick has 16 sacks in 767 snaps. Would you rather have Reddick type DE(which is what Burns is anyhow) at 15-17M/yr BOZEMAN at 8-10M/yr OR Burns 25M/year 2M/yr FA C(that’s worse than Eflein) Then on top you get 3 premium draft picks that look better every day.

It’s only 5.6M that can be split over two years if they want. That’s nothing when cutting a QB. The rest is base salary at 30-40M for the next three years. No one is trading for that contract. He would have to agree to a completely new deal to make a trade even discussed. If they thought they could trade him, they wouldn’t have destroyed his value by making him go away

Please explain why a person who has BEEN fired because of the chance of an injury would participate in practice, lifting or anything that might result in injury at the team facility?

He costs them another 17.2M if he gets injured. That’s why he’s not playing. He wasn’t doing much better than the other two. No reason to risk it.

I didn’t. You made it. I just brought it infto the light. You want to pay 25-28M to a guy who”isn’t Garrett(makes 25M/year) but is Reddick(15M).” Your words. Can’t be both. I was given a specific scenario. And someone asked if I would give Burns 28M/yr. As I’ve always stated I wouldn’t. So anything at that point is a bonus. And this situation won’t come to that. No one said it was better than the Panthers turning down 3 high quality picks for the right to overpay a situational DE by about 10M. That offer will never come again. Is it the football you don’t understand or the basic math.

If you would have done that 5 pages ago, you might have avoided actually making my argument for me. Now its sad because this has devolved into fanboys going But I’m sure it will be fine. I’m never right when it comes to contracts and the Panthers.