Toomers

Yet the current GM gave up a 2nd and more, plus 19M guaranteed, to a QB who had proven he sucked in every way possible.

Yep. He’s a bust.

We know how much you love Pickett, so I just take it FWIW.

I’d say 3rd is even debatable. He sure ain’t better than Lamar. And Pickett looked every bit as good, or better by the end of year.

Who needs a search button? I didn’t make any claim except your are a complete homer. Every post is my proof. You said you had many time’s documented, somewhere, so just find a couple. We all know who you are, as well… what do I call you calling me, or anyone else, who doesn’t join in the echo chamber all the time, as people that don’t understand anything? Or just trolls? I call out your complete BS. Just like we did here once again. But I’m so glad you like you.

Any of them “documented” on here? The last 5 years? Feel free to show me. The rest is just a long winding road leading to the same BS to deflect away from you calling some out for “only reading on here” when you can’t produce anything at all to back up your rambling

But it wasn’t. How many different sites even have Panthers info like that? And most times people assume you’re talking out your ass because….. you are on the Mt. Rushmore of “homers” for the team and have a habit of just stating things that aren’t true. And chastising anyone who dare say a team that is a top 10 draft regular participant might actually be wrong some(or most) times.

Then post what you have read from credible sources. Seems like that would clear things up pretty quick. Is there some reason you can’t post these statements you have read elsewhere?

I’m well aware of the year it was. Just as Locker or any player knew that top pick pay was a huge issue in the CBA. He made a mistake. Even today it would be a 20M drop. You don’t take 5M to put 40M at risk. Who stayed and benefitted from it?

He was also projected to go 1-2 in 2010 with Bradford. Bradford got 6yrs/78M in 2010. Locker got 4 yr/12M in 2011 Add in players like Matt Barkley and Ryan Mallet who went from top 5 to 3-4th rounders and coming back when you’re already as high as you will get is ignorant.

Why would we have no idea what obstacles? Every move is public. They traded Minkah after week one but that was as much to do with way he was being used. He was there for 59-10. Tunsil and Tannehill were before season. Kenyon Drake got traded at deadline. What other moves did they put in his way? So a team that went winless tried to win MORE than a team that won 5 games while trying to lose them all. Just because you “feel” that way. And I saw that TB team as well. There was a reason John McKay wanted them “executed”. And how is a team that won 5 games your one and only example of this “trying to lose every week” theory.

I’m talking about ITT. First they failed because they didn’t get 1st pick. Then it was they didn’t get Burrow. Then when informed they didn’t even know who Burrow was, it didn’t matter. Hard to keep up. And I never said organizations don’t do it. I gave examples. But it stops at the roster and talent provided. If the HC is trying to win, and the players are as usual, who is trying to”tank” on a weekly basis? And there was no talk of investigating anyone. Did the league investigate the Browns in 2017 when they proudly did it and put a QB out there who would take care of it. If Flores wasn’t involved, what happened between week 1 and 5. Did Flores try to lose the first 4 games. Or did a very young team get better? Trying to lose and still winning 5 with a depleted roster is impressive

Since your “idea” of tanking seems to change by the post, let’s just focus on this statement. Who was trying to lose for the Dolphins? What coaches/players lose games on purpose? It sure wasn’t Flores/Fitzpatrick on those teams. The only “tanking” there is, is the purging the cap and not spending any future assets on a current year. And giving a HC Deshone Kizer(CLE 2017) or the Painter,Orlovsky, and ghost of Kerry Collins(Colts 2011 after Manning got hurt) is as tanking as a team can do. And even those Colts won 2 of their last 3 games. Front offices rebuild. Coaches/players try to win every game with the resources given. Tanking is a vague term that means whatever someone wants it to support a narrative. Ask Doug Pederson what even the hint of trying to lose gets you.

When they went down that path by trading Tunsil, Burrow was a late round flyer at best. His 2019 season hadn’t even started yet. And if they wanted to lose every game they wouldn’t have had Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB. And the Panthers wasted 80M+ in 2020 just to win a couple games. That is not clearing up cap space. It’s wasting it.

He’s not coming back. He has a 40M guaranteed coming with 25M coming as soon as he signs. Plus his stock will never be higher after the GA game. All he can do is hurt his stock and lose money by staying.

I’m inventing? You’re the one who claimed the system was unfair to certain teams. Then it was cheap owners. On to the “accounting trick”. Now the deflection of its my fault you were wrong. Just finish the cycle and call me a troll because of me being a Steelers fan. That’s the protocol when folks run out evidence that could prove their point I’ll put my track record with the cap and how it works to the test anytime.

Now it’s an accounting trick? But only certain teams know how? What part isn’t simple math? Void years, in any form, is a rule that is available for everyone. Who are these owners who are complaining? Players love it. So good luck getting rid of them. And this front office has spent this team up to cap hell adjacent.

Yes. All 4 void years when his contract is up after SB. It’s actually an example of using it wisely. Like Reddick before, it was a 1 yr/6M contract. Same setup. They were worth that so it’s not an issue. But that is dead money that was used last year.

Then it’s not a loophole. It’s an organizations choice. The owner is paying it this year either way. It’s just getting most early instead of over 17 games in the fall. Void years hit immediately when a player is no longer on the team. It’s the same as dead cap. It doesn’t just stay there over years after a player is gone. What’s Matt Ionnadis cap hit for Carolina in 2023?

What loopholes are only available to certain teams? Every team has the same amount. Every year. They Saints chose this route with a HOF QB. Not unreasonable but they knew what was coming. Now any good players are getting older, with huge dead money attached. They have no QB. Have to let players leave. All that for 7-10. No 1st rounder. But it’s unfair to let a franchise destroy itself? And those old contracts have dead money and void years when they “drop off”. Thomas will be dropping off with a 25M dead cap hit shortly.

That “myth” has cost them much more than just CGJ. Armstead, M Williams, and Hendrickson were huge losses they couldn’t sign. They are about to cut Thomas at a 25M dead cap hit. AFTER that, they will ONLY be 33M over the cap. Definitely the blueprint I would want my team to emulate.

You were pretty sure there wasn’t even a 2nd round pick offered too. And with 25M/yr and 3 premium picks, if you can’t replace him the wrong people are making decisions.

Let’s look at those trades. The 49ers had pick 48 in the 2nd in 2021. Yet MIA took a future 1st(2) instead of taking the 2nd that year. Why would they do that if picks lose value? The Bears had pick 39 in the 2nd in 2021. Yet the NYG took a future 1st instead. Why? Please continue. You posted a PFF list that has him 10th(for this season and weeks ago)but doesn’t include Watt, J Bosa or Sweat as they clearly state. Then when some of their evaluation showed his weakness, you went after their credibility. The only thing you have proven is if it doesn’t fit the narrative, spin it until it does.

Pick 37 can be a player or a chip in a trade. First it was future 1sts aren’t worth a 2nd and a 3rd year, now it’s the high 2nd doesn’t matter, only the future firsts. I really can’t keep up with the spin cycle to make overpaying one player seem like a good idea. So you’re fine with the GM making moves in his best interest’s and not the team. Just want to make sure that’s where we are at.