Toomers

I’m your huckleberry. And I never said he would only bring a 3rd. But it sure wasn’t out of hand to suggest. That there was a chance at a 1st and more was what was absurd and what I said would never happen. I’ve called this from day one after turning down the Rams deal. So please call me out when no one has called this whole ordeal as accurate as I have. 2 1sts, a 2nd(36) and the 16M they gave him last year when he played to not get hurt. Plus that 24M too. Not bad either.

Jimmy G got benched halfway thru last season. He will be released this week. Not in Raiders plans.

Please don’t stop. Seeing you try to explain and understand the salary cap is hilarious.

Why not any of those players? And more. Josh Allen balled out during his 5th year option, and hasn’t turned down 27M/yr. Burns played to stay healthy. Huff, Hunter, Grenard, etc…. Many can duplicate Burns production at a fraction of the price. If he’s worth what he wants, why don’t the Panthers give it to him? No picks involved there. But another team should pay him and the Panthers?

Sweat was 24M, and still had half a year at only 5M. In the same situation(but making less) as Burns. And he went out and led two different teams in sacks while being one of the best run defenders at edge in the NFL for years. Burns disappeared while trying not to get hurt. So who would give him more AND picks?

No one is doing anything unless he accepts a contract proposal from another team. No one is trading for his rights. He won’t sign the tag if he doesn’t get what he wants. His floor, is showing up right before the season, playing to stay healthy, and collecting his 24M for a 4 win team. He can wait on anything else and hold for an unrealistic price. The team that knows him best, and put his “price” at what he thinks it is, won’t pay him what he wants. But you expect another team to give him 30M/yr with 70M guaranteed, AND give up a 1st and maybe more? I’d like to see what team will accept that.

If they tell him to come without his entourage and entitled attitude, I’m for it. Easier to suggest than it is to make happen. Whatever keeps them from just handing the job to Pickett to see if he can become average. That’s why I was on board with Fields. Wilson can play for league minimum. So there’s not much risk. He starts being Russ and just cut his ass.

Not really? I know they should. Best option they will have for next two years.

It’s overpaying(and renting) a player that’s not in the teams future plans at his current asking price. Something you have argued against doing for ages. And you’re using the same sad excuses people used on you(and me) They blow it anyhow(or can’t draft) so why try. It’s the owners money, why does it matter. And the Hail Mary one of the 89% rule. When is the last time that had any effect on any team? Multiple teams have had over 100M in cap space to start a year and I fail to remember any team getting near that. And I’ve seen Sweat as a complete DE. Not a one dimensional specialist who’s a liability on 40+% of the snaps. And Burns is still “potential” that needs some sort of perfect situation to play capable of what he thinks he’s worth.

“Dave’s money”??? So now it is somehow just the owners money and not the cap space that it is in reality. Something you have harped on, like me, forever. Why couldn’t that go to a FA in 2025 when the team starts to figure out what they have. And if age is all you got, I rest my case. Burns isn’t getting better. More the opposite.

Since 2020, Sweat has the highest run defense grade on PFF. And led two teams in sacks. Burns has one of the lowest, and wasn’t better than Sweat at anything last year. The Huddle doesn’t recognize run defense, but NFL people do. 21M to see if a 3rd can become a 2nd. Maybe. And that’s only if a team meets his “asking” price. They might waste the money. But that was the same reasoning people were using to not trade him to the Rams. “We can’t draft anyhow” was the common theme.

But with any tag comes the risk that he just plays on the tag for 21M. Afraid to get hurt again. On a rebuilding team that not winning 5 games with or without him. Then they try again next year at around 26M. Think he will have more value then. And after July 15 he can’t play for anyone else. Burns has all the leverage. Panthers sit in limbo while teams fail to match his unreasonable asking price. Sweat is one of the best run defenders in the NFL. Burns is well….not. Sweat led two different bad teams in sacks last year. Without the 3-4 All Pros that Burns requires to be effective. Or the scheme. Or the offense. Or his fears of injury. Which of the Edge guys making 20M+ suck against the run? What does getting him on a long term contract do? Send away draft picks to overpay a player who hasn’t come close to earning what he wants. Who are these teams? Where are these offers. Why isn’t he tagged right now. If it’s such an easy decision why not place it on him. Can’t do anything until that’s done. Every team runs the ball on you because they can block Burns with a mediocre TE. This we aren’t ahead Colton’s just the next excuse for”this is the year” he puts it all together. We can go back and read my statements from soon after they turned down the trade. I’ve been dead on the whole time. But any random scenario you can invent is some sort of fact.

Because my reasoning is no tag. Just let go and take 3rd comp pick. Or you will be stuck with a malcontent at 21M in a year that it won’t matter. If he shows up and doesn’t hold out. Players making as much as Burns wants or deserves don’t need others to enhance their game. If that is the case, they aren’t worth the money. Burns had one more sack with Reddick as he had this year. A player who regularly outperforms him for 15M/yr. You don’t give Robins 20-30M. Now, your turn to explain why a team would give up more than the 2nd the Bears did for Sweat? A better player who agreed to a reasonable contract. But you’re getting 2 1sts for a guy who was playing afraid to get hurt?

Nobody is offering close to what he wants. Especially with first round pick(s) attached. The Panthers won’t give him what he wants, and they made him think he’s worth that much, and don’t have to surrender picks. 21M for another half assed year. While he cripples any ability to do anything else because he’s tying up your cap space. In a year that should be focused on rebuilding the entire team. He might report opening weekend. Or not.

Heaven forbid that a rebuilding(should be tanking) team have some actual cap space to rollover into a year like 2025 when they have had a year to build some value and a solid core. What do you expect happen next year. Restructure and overpay to win 5 games? If that? Then what? Same thing again in 2025? Keep that cycle of success rolling like it has been. Paying players too much just because they are on your team is exactly how this organization has hamstrung itself for close to 15 years now.

I’ve always thought went to 25M at least. The former staff could have saved a lot of embarrassment and it wouldn’t have been that bad a deal at the time. The Panthers are the ones that inflated his value by turning down that trade. And they won’t give him what he wants. Other teams are well aware of this. Until Burns joins reality, he’s more of a liability than an asset.

Why would a team give more than what Sweat got? He’s not going to sign for less than 25M/yr if not more. Why would a team pay him that and give up a first? Since he won’t agree to a deal, there is no trade and the Panthers pay him 22M in a year when that is the last thing they need to do. My perception of his value has been pretty spot on since the turning down the deal of a lifetime fiasco. But if they do, please trade him to BAL. Id love to be able to watch the Steelers run straight at him 30 times a game.

Not possible. He doesn’t have a current contract with CAR. Until they offer the tag, he can’t be traded. No tag and he’s a FA on March 5 at 4PM. Another fun fact…. If a team makes the decision to tag a player, they can still sign that player to a long-term extension. For example, the Ravens placed the franchise tag on QB Lamar Jackson in 2023, but later negotiated a five-year contract. However, if a new deal is not made by July 15, those players will be forced to play out the year on the tag. If they choose not to sign the tag, they will be ineligible to play for any other team for the entirety of the season. Nobody is giving up a 1st for a player who turned down 27M and is barely worth 20M(maybe?). Much less a 1st and more. A 2nd at this point would be surprising.

1.8M for 2nd round pick. How can you replace a player making 900k but the cap difference number stays the same at 1.8M? You’re replacing 6 players that were making 5.4M with 6 that are making 6.5M. Simple math. Have no clue what they even mean with those numbers. Wouldn’t be the first time Sportrac screwed up numbers. How are they making 86K as a cap hit for 2024? That’s not possible.

Then explain how a player with a 1.8M cap hit replacing a player with a 915k salary(as the lowest 8 players above the 51 cutoff do) is the same amount if that’s what you’re referring to? Same with 3rd and 4th. And is it indicating that they only have to pay the signing bonus and no base salary on the last 3. 6 go on, 6 come off.

That’s not figuring in the the players they replace on the top 51 cutoff. That’s 5.4M-5.7M. Which is subtracted from the the 6.5M. They will need about 1M to pay draft class. Picks 5-7 would be cheaper than anyone they replace.

You mean the guy who predicted almost every disastrous move this team has made in the last 5 years. That one? The same one who told everyone how good Brown was. What are you going for here?

The rookie amount won’t be that high for CAR. Once you figure in they are replacing 6-7 guys making minimum, at about 920k each, only your 2nd and 3rd are going to be higher. Joey Porter JR has a cap hit of 1.7M this past year and he went 33. But you need money for practice squad and injured reserve, so it might be more than 5.

So you want to tag and trade Burns. Let’s see how this will play out. As soon as you offer the tag, 22M of your salary cap is frozen. Tied to a player with an over inflated perception of what he should make. How much restructuring are they going to have to do to make this work? And no team is going to give up anything until Burns accepts a long-term deal at something in the 20-22M/yr range. Which he won’t. So now you are stuck paying 22M to an above average player on a team that truly needs to burn almost everything. Every team knows they don’t want to pay him. Sweat and Chubb were signed long term before they got of planes to their new teams.

Significantly less than two 1sts and 36 in this past draft. That’s going to happen easily. Production isn’t just sacks. Sweat and Clark weren’t liabilities against the run. Quite opposite in fact. They also weren’t clamoring for DPOY-type money. Sweat just had a better season than Burns ever had. Agreed to a fair deal and brought a 2nd. Why would any team give more to overpay a guy who basically went through the motions last year?