mickeye76

Positional value is overrated but very real like the Lakers. Being in the top ten adds this stigma. If we were picking between 11 and say 16 all bets are off. At that point guards, tight ends and safeties magically become valid picks. If we take a QB (pickett or willis) in part because of inflated value based on position and draft slot it's a gamble. Journeyman and backup qb's are available much later in the draft. That could result in wasted positional value. Give me a serviceable to good offensive lineman that misses at left but excels at another position as a worst case over a serviceable QB that can only contribute at qb.

This guy gives a refreshing take compared to the talking heads Kiper and Todd. It's always at 6 the panthers take Pickett cause they really need a QB. Then they will nonchalantly say "he's not worth a top ten pick" or the value is inflated because of past failures trying to address the position. Fug. It all sounds like they are saying "panthers suck" they will continue to suck cause Pickett is slightly above average but yeah let's talk about this other team for 8 minutes.

Packers.

I'd wait till next year. Then I'd be interested in Grayson McCall, Coastal Carolina. Accuracy and a live arm is his selling points. Jake Haener, Fresno St. Elite arm strength. Wait till next year McCall, Jake and Hooker will be in the discussion along with Stroud and Brice as a defining QB class. 2022 class may have one guy.

If your goal is to trade down inflating QB stock is a smokescreen. I do think the brass has done their homework and like a QB or two but I don't see why they would tip their hand.

Nope on Kyler, Lamar or Carr. We need that 4-5 year window of cap flexibility that a rookie brings. Lamar and Murray want to get paid $$$$. Jimmy GQ and Baker are decent plan B's but I think we have seen their ceiling and I'm not impressed. This year I would bring in Fitzmagic in as a mentor then go with a value pick at QB late round. A Bailey Zappe or EJ Perry. The next year go full press on the QB class.

Ikem the dream. I'm happy with either cross or Neal though.

I disagree. For two reasons. Just taking BPA at 6 makes more sense than reaching for a QB. Second next year's QB class could actually have players graded as 1st rounders, not this inflated value we see on off years.

Davis reminds me of Wilfork. Just a exceptionally large human being. Rare old school nose tackle. Do not be surprised if he goes top 10. That Georgia dline was scary good.

I've been doing a lot of simulations involving trading down. Two options I've done. Trade with ravens. 6 for 14, 45 and a late round. Reasons why they may move up. Offensive tackle, Defensive line, or corner. What we do with picks. 14. Zion ( oline is set) 45. Top linebacker or defensive end. Another fun one is trading 6 for the Lions 32, 34 and third round. This is a trade up to take Willis. They take Hutchinson at 2 then trade up for Willis. Linebacker, safety and defensive lineman will still be strong at this point. So a haul of Moyfe and Brisker for instance. As far as Corral he is really interesting. Live arm and competed in SEC. Pickett and Willis scare me.

Atlanta could be looking at Willis. They could run with Mariota for a bit and have Willis waiting in the wings.

Lots can change but I really feel next year is the one for a QB. FA options have dried up but if Minshew is available or Fitzpatrick is still out there that would be my move. Then next year we dive into a deeper QB class.

Dline is closer than people think. The FA pick up, Nixon, Roy, Brown along with YTG and Burns on the edge is solid. Taking a defensive end (no matter how talented) or a equally talented unicorn safety is excessive.

Love this signing. Him and Foreman are gonna add some much needed power in the running game.

Why not on board with the DJ signings? Donte is a homegrown talent and if horn is good as advertised and CJ gets his mental up to speed with his physical talent the corners could be elite. If Moore could play with a real QB for a season you would see he is worth holding onto. Resigning Moore basically says we want you around for awhile cause we are bringing in a QB soon.

He enjoying being the belle of the ball even though he got problems. The analogy was made about the prom date working the room and ya brought the tux and limosine. Deshauna is naughty and our front office has a hard on for it. We have deep pockets and a desire to be relevant. This hook up could damage the franchise for years. Let the hoe go to the dirty dirrty south NO or party in the ATL I don't care.

And what does that make us?

This is a nice bargain signing. Some bigger backs are long needed. I've always thought a committee system is smart football. Not a QB, but at running back. I wonder if this signing means ameer Abdullah is out. I hope not. Ameer gave some spark in special teams and spot duty.

As a fairly adept reader of English I have to interject in smittymoose and shockers discussion. Every position in the NFL has washouts. QB gets more attention. But the proven Commodity argument is weak. Injuries and self inflicted stupidity doom the best on the regular. I'm not gonna go out tommorow and trade for a QB that despite being 26 is on the verge of a decline. A year away from football, off field issues and forcing a trade does not scream longterm answer. It screams another strikeout at QB for a franchise that's QB carousel has been burning. If we draft a kid and he don't work out it's typical but if Watson torpedoes the future and fails then.

Rather be JAX. Give me the rookie with potential over the vet who has past injuries and a upcoming 4 game suspension.

So I'm not understanding disconnect between the "7 year rebuild" narrative and. the current "compete now" Watson chatter. You can't do both. You can't build with less cap room, diminished roster and no prime draft picks that a desperation trade would cause. We need a QB, a linebacker or two and a complete oline rebuild. Throw in a Free safety to pair with Chinn. But that said it's six pieces. Between FA and a draft or two it's attainable problem is it seems the FO has got impatient. My build would be free agent center or guard. Bozeman, James Daniel or Laken for the oline. Rashaan Evans at MLB. In the draft we add another linebacker, two olineman, and a free safety. What bout a QB? That's the long game. Let Darnold and a free agent fight it out and bite the bullet. We will likely have a top 10 pick next year in a deeper class. Just saying the hypocrisy of unseating a owner for questionable behavior then selling the farm and making Watson the face is appalling.

A document by the defense attempting to create doubt. Along with some character assassinations thrown in for good measure. That is what the defense does. I don't trust lawyers so this document does little to sway me.

Identical except Stafford was a player I could pull for and admire. Watson is suspect.

Which is why you usually hold on to those players. Watson is also due like 40 million for this upcoming season that the NFL might decide to shorten for him. WTF.

In free agency James Daniels and Laken should be top targets. With either of those upgrades a guard spot is set. Play BC at LT. Play Pat at center. Daniels is more a LG and Laken a RG. Then a trade down. Take a Zion or Green. BC, Zion, Pat, Laken, TM BC, Daniels, Pat, Green, Moton.