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So ignoring the intricacies of different positions are you willing to concede that as a player ages his abilities might facilitate a change to a different position and that using his previous experience as an indicator for future performance might be short sighted?

Clearly he wasn't a sub package player. No one here has said that. I can't comment if the early years of JJ's defense were 2 gaps or not, but that wouldn't really change the fact that Trent Cole was a pass rusher first and foremost. I mean I don't think your eagles fan friend would come out and say JJ was ever really concerned with stopping the run. yeah they do because they track individual plays and they're a useful metric to evaluate players. CJ was terrible this year in most facets of the game due to a lot of issues. I have no idea what point you're trying to make and I suspect you don't really know what you're saying either.

4 legs good 2 legs bad

like this board has a really bad understanding of basic front seven alignments. its collective comprehension stops at 3 lineman or 4 lineman, lots of blitzes v. boring, blah blah blah. just bring up techniques, gaps, or any like 6th grade term and they go apocalyptic.

Yeah but keep in mind what Jim Johnson's defense was. Trent Cole wasn't being asked to play the run at all. So just because he lines up kinda on the same spot of the field as players you've seen doesn't meant the role is similar. I mean anyone with PFF can pull up his stats against the run to easily back this up. He was an EDGE with his hand on the ground.

He knows how to play DE in the strictest sense of the term. He has never in his career, whether it have been under Jim Johnson, Juan Castillo, Sean McDermott, or whatever asshole Chip Kelly is trotting out there been anything other than a pass rush specialist. Like yeah he knows how to play a position that was called DE that was completely different from how almost every team in the league played it. As far as what McDermott would do, Cole is incredibly versatile and he'd play everywhere. But if you're suggesting he coudl come in and be an early down DE you're insane. Or to insinuate that he was ever, uh, stout against the run...

Yeah but he was never really a traditional DE like Carolina has been using for the past 15 years. He was playing the Wide 9 for a lot of it when they had Jason Babin, and was always lining up wider than usual as well. Like he wasn't playing the 5 or 6 technique, he was playing the 9, even after they got rid of reid and everyone. For example, look how wide they are here. They have their hands in the ground but they have absolutely no gap or run responsibility. So to say nothing of his age, he's not suited for an every down role in Carolina.

actually now that I've made this thread Cole to Atlanta makes stupid amounts of sense. He'll be the LEO in Dan Quinn's wide 9, he has a name, and he's older pass rusher which is basically all atlanta signs.

probably not, but he'd be useful. Good coaches can use good players I imagine Atlanta will overpay for him.

He was cut by the Eagles. Situational pass rusher, he can fill the frank Alexander role after he gets busted for weed/exotic animals without a license/boating under the influence Sean McDermott connection could be useful in a part time role.

Tolbert is a good blocker, plays fullback, and sadly might already have the best hands on the team. Line him up off tackle. Boom. Done.

You yourself called him an H Back in the OP which is the definition of niche in today's NFL.

We haven't even gotten started about the relative value of having a niche blocker under contract control for four years relative to every other position that isn't a kicker.

A third rounder needs to not only contribute to a team, but do it quickly and substantially. Go back and look at the Panthers draft history over the past few years, specifically Hurney's end. One of the reasons the Panthers ate poo so hard was we weren't getting anything out of the third round. They were nailing the firsts, but they were drafting undersized projects. A few years ago a third rounder was called a first day pick, and you don't spend one of those on a guy who's position hasn't really been used since integration. As far as having good hands, who gives a poo if Nose tackles are going to be running him down from behind?

Well he couldn't play much slower.

you're basically advocating drafting Jeff King two rounds earlier.

No way. Against SYRACUSE?!?!?

I think the main problems with Collins, regardless of how good of a player you think he is, is how much can he help the Panthers relative to another position. I wouldn't even be against taking a secondary player in the first if he was known as a coverage player. You have to build your team around your division, and no one in the South even bothers running the ball. Yeah it'd be nice to get a Kam Chancellor, but Seattle lucked in to him, and wasting very valuable resources to try to recreate that in Carolina is foolish. Even assuming he becomes worth the draft pick (whatever that means to you), is the relative improvement at the safety position as valuable as say Left Tackle? Or Wide Receiver? Two positions where there will be options? Probably not. Is that improvement at safety worth as much as say a first round pick in 2016 and an additional 2015 2nd, were that situation to arise? As far as drafting a blocking tight end in the third, that's just lunacy. You can find players like that on the street if you prioritize it. the Panthers already have a physically dominant tight end with little pass catching ability, who was ironically also a zod favorite.

Collins only makes sense if A.)they can trade back and still grab him, which with the way he's falling kinda sounds plausible and B.) you really think Tre Boston can develop into a stud free safety, which meh... There will be better players than Collins available when the Panthers draft.

nick o'leary lol good christ

Not really. DeAngelo has been poo for a while. he didn't magically start to suck once his mother died. 2014 was predictable based on his recent career trajectory. We don't need to psychoanalyze a north of 30 runningback because of his unsurprising decline.

has any news been reported on this or is this thread just people talking about themselves

lol caring about abs and not just getting strong enough to where you can effortlessly toss women over your shoulder and carry them to your cave

You will not be able to move significant weight with KB squats. They're awkward to hold and are more of a stability exercise than anything else. They're fine as an accessory lift but shouldn't be a core part of your workout routine. Stick to back and front squats. TENS really isn't proven to do anything either way. I know many people like it as a form of recovery, and at the bigger crossfit competitions there's always a booth doing them, but I can't find a thing that actually says "hey this will help your recovery substantially." There's some evidence that cryotherapy places are very efficacious, but commercial joints typically aren't designed for any kind of serious athlete. Their core demographic are the elderly who need a quick boost of circulation, or rich women who just want to "tighten up" at the beginning of the day, since a lot believe it makes their skin look tighter or something. Basically they don't get cold enough if you have substantial muscle mass. There's only like one company that makes these things. The one at the olympic training facility in colorado gets like 30% colder, for example, according to my buddy travis cooper. Burning 500-800 calories in a sitting is absolute bullshit. The one time I went it was free and when they told me that I laughed in their face. also make sure to wear cotton underwear. I went in with some compression shorts and had to wear a sock over my dick.

jase you and i need to talk