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Unless I’m not looking at his YouTube channel correctly (and it’s possible I can’t navigate that poo anymore) he hasn’t done Bryce in a while.

lol this is the Bryce performance JTO chooses to reemerge for.

this was a five yard check down

you can't tabor is likely one of the two people who were talking with the owner behind reich's back. Dude's a snitch and a bitch. He's gotta be gone.

Beason just wasn’t big enough to hold up. dream lineup would have been him accepting the switch to WLB but they did right by him. Situation worked out for everyone.

overall i'd agree. Not when Beason was first drafted though.

I mean, you pair him with either All Pro Jon Beason or All Pro Luke Kuechly. He was a great linebacker, one of the best panthers ever regardless of position, one of the best linebackers of his generation, and he was always the second best linebacker on the team. Shout out to us finally beating Vick when we drafted him to play safety.

Oh fug I forgot that. That right. was still an amazing pick. That was the game winning td he intercepted.

not you, but i love how random posters have been so excited about Troy Hill without realizing he's a 32 year old journeyman

i think this was a fine signing. You need an older guy who just like knows how to get ready during the week. i mean yeah probably. He doesn't need to put any tape out or anything. And good for him to be honest fug over tepper. Screw him. Get money. Defense is not the problem this season.

Another best season for a Panther by position, and this is kinda weird and let's just call it strong safety, was Jeremy Chinn. It is still baffling to me how he went from so good and instinctive his first season to barely cracking the field now. He's had a couple nagging injuries, but his rookie year I thought we had a perennial all pro. I've never seen a player hit harder, know how to be in the right spot, move more naturally; just a revelation out there. I still think he's going to end up somewhere that knows how to use him and just go off, and I hope he does.

As far as Brown, he's the closest to Jenkins as far as just dominating interior lineman. It's like he's finally figured out he's bigger and stronger than everyone else in the NFL too. He doesn't have Jenkins' mean streak. Jenkins played angry, and he had a lot of emotional issues he was working through. He was similar to Steve Smith in that regard. A lot of people don't realize this, but Jenkins really struggled with Alcohol use during his early years in the league. When he missed two seasons back to back with injuries, he really hit the bottle hard. He lived in that shopping center near South Park (i can't remember the name; had a dean and deluca) and would just throw empty liquor bottles and pizza boxes out of his third floor window and pay someone to pick it up. It's one of the reasons he got hurt right away in 2005 after missing 12 games in 2004; you can't rehab if you're drinking that heavy and you're that big anyway. He was never the same when he came back, in part because he got a lot of the psych help he needed and he lost a little of his edge. Plus, playing only 5 games in 3 years put things into perspective for him. Jenkins is a smart guy. also, when he came back he became disillusioned with the way the team was using (and treating) peppers. For me, Jenkins is second biggest player "what if" in Panthers history. First of course would be trading a first for Joe Thomas in 2015. DAMMIT GETTLEMAN But yeah, Brown has that at times. He's also in better shape than Jenkins. Jenkins was a freak athlete to be fair, but diet as above. Brown is huge and solid; he doesn't jiggle. I agree with the sentiment that if it comes down to him and Burns...bye Brian. Of course there's no reason not to extend them both; the Panthers don't have many players worth resigning.

Best seasons for a defender in Panthers history..... Kevin Greene in 1996 - all pro, complete force, his diving TD after a fumble recovery was the signature play of the young team. would eventually leave Carolina for san francisco for a year because they'd let him wrestle in the WCW. Came back and attacked a coach on the sideline but I'm sure he had some good reasons. Doug Evans 2001 - I'm serious. 8 picks, all in the first half of the season, no idea how he wasn't traded. Kris Jenkins 2002 - Jenkins has undiagnosed sleep apnea until after 2001. Once he got a CPAP he had two of the most dominant seasons for a DT....ever. Jenkins was obviously great in 2003, but in 2002 he just could not be stopped. Remember, Peppers missed 4 games in 2002 with a suspension, and was not what he would become. Julius Peppers 2004 - this was Peppers' best year. Morgan and Jenkins got hurt, Rucker was dealing with injuries, some of their depth guys were hurt...this was Peppers defense and it was his best performance. Once Fields got back in shape and gave him a little bit of support in the front seven, it was over. Panthers second half surge was due to a weak schedule, Contract Year Muhsin Muhammad, and Peppers just going super saiyan. Luke Kuechly - pick a season. He was the best player on the field (sorry cam, steve) the second he came into the league. For the record I hated that pick when they made it. Some hot takes KK Short had some good productive years, but I always felt he was more a product of the system. He was paired next to Star who I always thought was the better player, and he also had Luke and Davis behind him. Remember, in his best seasons teams were scheming to stop the Panthers linebackers. Star filled his role perfectly and Short feasted. If we're talking about best all time seasons just by counting stats, then don't look who shares the single season sack record with Kevin Greene. Of course, 2013 was a stacked front seven. Johnson was (insanely overpaid to be) solid, Star and KK were in their first seasons, and Luke was ascending. Still, Hardy had a role, and if he had kept his head on straight there's no telling what he could have become. Of course, he's a woman beating sociopath who got out of shape during his 1.5 years out of football and just never got anything back. Stupid asshole with his colored contacts. Shout out to Fox playing him as a gunner on the return team his rookie year. Enjoy rabbit punching toe tags in MMA fights in Reno. Hot take here: Josh Norman was not that good in 2015. He had four interceptions in the first four weeks; two off Jameis, one off Bortles, and one that was admittedly amazing against Drew Brees. After that I think teams just sorta bought into the hype about him and decided to mostly stay away from him. Panthers defensive line was actually not that great in 2015, it's just that the safeties and linebackers were playing in a different dimension. Then all of a sudden the offense just went nuclear and the defense could do whatever it wanted. But he got beat at times during the regular season, notably in New Orleans, at Seattle, and obviously against the Giants. He also never came close to replicating that season; he never even made a pro bowl again. Now you can point out he ended up in Washington which fair but still, didn't sniff that kind of productive again. Another mark against him is how simple that system was to pick up. Courtland Finnegan like walked in off the street on a Friday and was starting on Sunday and did fine. So yeah, Norman was a flash in the pan, had like 1 good month ever, got paid way too much and Gettleman was right to let him walk.

Hurney drafted two first round running backs within 2 years of each other.

This is a god awful list

It looked like a long time special teams coach who always had a couple ideas that head coaches would never let him try.

To be clear this doesn’t mean you’re right, it’s just that you’ve made up your mind for no reason and are signaling nothing is going to change that.

I love @Vergebut she called this a “flash of brilliance” and my god no. lol. Lmao

watching this pass in the air like… 1 one thousand 2 one thousand

he didn't look good yesterday either. I think the OP is very right. This is what the Panthers, and Bryce, are. They can score about 10 points a game, 15 if they're lucky. If they hold the other team to below that, and bryce doesn't turn the ball over, they win.

if i had tepper's ear, i'd point out building a team around the running game and defense would take advantage of market inefficiencies since everyone in the league is obsessed with offense. This would give them an advantage on acquiring defensive players and running backs, and would allow them to become competitive more quickly than if they were trying to build an offensive based team from scratch...again.

exactly. dude has seen this org from the inside and wants nothing to do with it to keep him, you'd have to offer full control: name the GM, OC, full staff, and probably team president if we're being serious. There's no other way you'd stick around with a bunch of people to stab you in the back.

lol no it was chuba

A.) so has this team and B.) fug your feelings

the fact that 2001 hasn't been mentioned yet by anyone shows this thread's age panthers were last in offense AND defense that year