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Moose played for Chicago in 2005. goings ran against Seattle because foster got hurt against the bears. Goings lasted one play in Seattle.

2004 was the team that got destroyed by injuries and was probably the best team in general of that era. 05 Jenkins, Davis and Morgan got hurt (again). Other than that they were pretty healthy.

Your argument is wrong. By 2005 the defense was basically just peppers and Ken Lucas. We can argue about how good peppers was and what that’s worth, but the defense right now is certainly better than it was in 2005. 2004 was peppers and 8 games of mark fields. as it stands right now the team is way better than it was in 2005, minus Steve smith being a god and Bryce being far worse than Jake by any metric you want. Hell right nonw the defense is top ten ish. and again the team talent has nothing to do with him imploding agains the cardinals or jags, or him doing nothing against the falcons, or the fumbles, or his first quarter against the dolphins who are one of the two or three worst teams in the league.

Quoting this for posterity.

Jake did not have better talent throughout his career. Actually the offense got worse every year after 2003. 2004 smith and the entire running game went out; nick goings was your top rusher at the end of the season. 2005 they started losing bodies on the offensive line and Deshaun Foster was the second leading receiver. They just had Steve smith who put up an incredible season. But…moose was all pro the season prior, and what’s the consistency factor? 2006 poo fell apart completely. Bryce, on the other hand, has had a better team each of his subsequent seasons. They’ve thrown resources at the offense like nothing they ever did during delhommes tenure until the 2008 season. Yeah Deangelo was 2006 but the other big addition was a completely washed Keyshawn Johnson. talent or not, bryce has still had three games this year that are all on him being hideous. That is despite him finally having a complete team or whatever you’re imagining. And complete team or not, his stats look pretty similar to what they’ve have in the past. The improvement you’re seeing is just something you want to see. at the end of the day he is what he is.

Just a reminder Bryce has had 11 games with a potential game winning or tying drive at the end where they DIDNT convert. Some of these losses include him - spiking the ball with no time left against Green Bay after throwing to the middle of the field - checking into the wrong play on fourth down against the Vikings - the recent cardinals fiasco

Jake had one of the better deep balls in the league, was an okay scrambler, could take a beating at his age, and played in a much more difficult era. Poor athlete is a stretch.

Arm injury was 07. 06 was when criticism really started. part of the arm injury was likely him overtraining after the 06 season.

Er 2006. Typo. weinke started three games that season there were plenty of criticisms of Jake during the 2005 season. They went to the nfc championship game sure but they were a wildcard team; they weren’t some dominant team in general. as far as justified, probably not; but that has nothing to do with the criticisms Bryce receives.

Jake got so much crap that it was a long lasting rumor that he was married to hurneys daughter, and there were calls in 2005 to bench him for Chris weinke on this very message board.

“Out of shape people take longer to recover?! Google, say it ain’t so!”

He’s missed a month and a half with a non contact soft tissue strain dude is out of shape. I don’t care what they told Joe person to say.

Corollary: right around 200 yards through the air is basically what he’s good for per game. panthers win if the running game and defense get going and he doesn’t sabotage too badly early.

I think Coker might have a case of the “is fat.”

do you think this makes it better

So fuging what

Hubbard ran for 2/4 plays in overtime, and considering how the panthers have generally handled overtime it’s safe to assume they’d be leaning on him. I dont know what you mean about anticipation throw since basically every one of them is. Air under this throw he isn’t diving for a ball. If he throwing to a spot a wide receiver has to dive for it’s not a good throw. https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1865862527822835853?s=46

Yeah. I don’t think it’s close.

Well he actually played more of a classic tight end position in college. Sanders played a fat WR in a screen offense, and tremble was like a 1930s style H back.

A first round wr averaging barely 10 yards a catch is….oof

Barring injury I think nfl mvp is already locked up this year.

Bold statement after he tries to toss the game away to Dallas while getting wrapped up. you can’t fix “this guy has no idea how to play football.” he’s a quirkier Ian thomas.

Daniel jones, not Matt. I think Matt is dead behind a liquor store somewhere. and under selling Daniel Jones. He’s playing like one of the four or five best qbs in the league.

He threw too flat of a ball. XL was wide the fug open. Better throw and a guy with broken ribs doesn’t have to fully lay out. And that wasn’t the last throw of the game. It was second and four. Bryce ate poo the next two plays. and if Chuba hadn’t fumbled they’d probably have just kept running him. Then we’d have people arguing that Bryce throwing one pass and Chuba running 5-6 times was actually a gwd because….

It was 10-0 multiple drives into the third quarter. A beat down through and through is what New England did to us.