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Worse than the Sean Gilbert trade.

these are unrealistic individually and contradictory when done together. bryce managed to eat himself to 200 for the combine, but he didn't throw and there were reports he was playing his last year at Alabama at 165. He has a very slight frame, and there's a limit to how much someone can realistically put on their body. And it's not like he was playing at a D3 school; Alabama knows what they're doing in S&C. Now there is some thought that Alabama doesn't let their QBs lift weights that much, but that might ahve just been an excuse for why mac jones looked like poo. Obviously Jalen Hurts was lifting. But even if he puts on 10 pounds of pure muscle (more than 10% of his likely bodymass) he's still going to be undersized. And the only thing that he was good at this year was scrambling. you change his body comp, you're going to lose that. And then at the same time if you're doing all that, that's not the ideal thing to do if you're trying to work on his throwing motion and footwork. You dont want to substantially change his body composition while changing all his footwork and throwing motion. And frankly if the number 1 overall pick is a qb who needs his footwork and throwing motion completely changed...well...he shouldn't have been the number 1 pick, but I don't think anyone is arguing that anymore. so yeah, his frame is too little to add enough weight for him to physically belong in the nfl, and doing so would make it difficult to change all his mechanics and would take away from his ability to scramble cut his ass

Bryce also fumbled the ball 11 times this year, and he's in pretty bad company in regards to that, with the exception of Lamar Jackson but let's not pretend he's comparable. Sam Howell who was sacked more often only fumbled four times. For comparison, Kyle Allen fumbled 7 times in 13 games and this was considered completely unacceptable.

I actually would prefer if we went defense and running. There's such a push to get the next "offensive genius" it's created a market inefficiency with defensive players. It's similar to how the steelers were dominant in the mid to late nineties because teams went away from the 3-4 base defense and they had their pick of the players. Build a defense, then develop the offense until a qb you develop is ready or you can pick a veteran to chase a ring. You have to build a good organization to take advantage of that though, and not have an owner who rails some adderall and demands roster moves based on Madden scores.

We did make a huge offer to the Lions: LA made a better one. Now we didn't make the franchise crippling one we did for Bryce, sure, but it's not like the Panthers didn't make a go at him. And I don't think Stafford wanted to come to Carolina and preferred to go to the Super Bowl contender, which fair. The Watson situation was complicated by other factors. I dunno people don't like being fired. You seem to think there's a level of success and financial security you get to where you just say "fug it" and for you and I their salary would obviously be it but that's not how humans process things and lifestyle creep is absolutely a thing.

im responding to a thing you said, on a message board intended for...responses. it was not hostile. learn to...correctly interpret social responses and converse?

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Literally all of us have been in a situation where we don't speak up about something when we know we're right because an idiot boss thinks it's a good idea and it's easier to just go along with what they want to do and hope it works out than slam our head against the wall. That is a universal shared human experience and I don't understand why people are so resistant to the idea in this situation. Just because the stakes are higher for an NFL team doesn't make the office politics just like some bloated corporation rolling out a new product that literally EVERYONE knows is going to flop but some dipshit middle manager is obsessed with. Second point might be fair, but there's something to be said about internal continuity and bringing up someone that has the respect of the building. NFL teams are complicated things. Another more likely explanation is the old Upton Sinclair quote "It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it."

I don't believe Morgan, or any of the other members of staff with playing experience, wanted anything to do with bryce. I refuse to believe someone who played defense in the NFL at a high lvl looked at Bryce and didn't think "lol. lmao"

what the hell are you talking about

At best he was the 3rd best, behind beason and luke. You could make argument about Sam Mills too.

He had 2 TDs in 2017 for hte Panthers, which is the year we're talking about. He ended the season with four. KBJ had a catch percentage of 50 and 53% in 2014 and 2016, respectively. In 2017 he was all the way up to 61%. That includes games where he had rates of 20, 42, and 50%. Again, 2 touchdowns in 2017 with the Panthers. This isn't me being a hater or mean or whatever you people think, it's just having watched all the games and looking at the stats and realizing he was garbage. And this is just about the one catch that funchess didn't make. Even if you thnk Benjamin pulls that down for a TD, something he did all of twice in that season for the Panthers, am I supposed to believe he's even in position? he was so fat he could barely move. No way in hell he was going to run that route and be in position.

wow on pace for 64 catches and less than 1000 yards. what a hoss. and four whole touchdowns! his stat lines from that half season are terrible. he had two good games that pumped his stats up. The rest was mid as hell. In all of that he had only 2 touchdowns, which again goes back to my original point of why anyone would expect him of all people to make that catch. Even when he was a 1000 yard receiver his rookie year, he had horrible efficiency and led the league in drops. He's a case study for why topline stats don't mean much. like look at this it is terrible And it's not like he did anything in buffalo either, that year or afterwards. If your only argument in his favor is that there was no one better on the roster, okay sure, but there was clearly something more going on with him that led to him being cut, and he was obviously not good enough to make dealing with him worth it. I have no idea what you're talking about with hurney/rhule/fitterer. Obviously hurney and fitterer never worked together. I'm guessing you also don't mean the early 2000s teams that went to the super bowl and NFC championship game. Or the hurney built teams that won the nfc south three straight years. And hurney didn't draft Benjamin or Funchess. Should also point out that when Hurney was with Rhule, he drafted an all pro caliber DT, another guy that finished 2nd in defensive roty voting, and a good rotational defensive lineman. It was the panthers last good draft. You're defneding a player as necessary that the Panthers went to the super bowl without. And you're getting upset because I said a player who managed to score 2 touchdowns in 8 games, was fat and out of shape, was basically run out of the league, is going to do something he didn't do his entire career as a pro and make a clutch catch. Are you high? Do you even know what you're arguing about or did you just get offended for some reason and decide to start pressing letters on your porn box? fug off

Hospital ball is always going to be “the rage” while Bruce is at qb. Like what else do you call this? https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8p27qsV/

No idea why you think kelvin Benjamin of all people would make a clutch catch. Are you actually Dave gettleman posting? and it’s pretty clear at this point cutting KB was about more than just football. Dude was a locker room and buffet bar cancer.

You draft the best lineman available regardless of where they slot in.

This makes me so goddamn angry.

do they ask him about eating poo on the best pass of Cam's career at the end of the 2017 Saints playoff game?

God that girl was so damn hot

Analysts who work for the big networks are terrified of pissing off alabama. They hyped Bryce for the same reason they hyped hurts and Mac jones. Saban has a lot of sway over the networks, especially cbs, and he used his players getting drafted as a recruiting tool. No one crosses Alabama players, especially not qbs. You see this even now with the way tv personalities handle Bryce. They’re playing to an audience that doesn’t follow the panthers but is following Bryce. A bama qb going number one overall and being successful is basically the holy grail for college-nfl integration. Whelp; they got half of that. second is the panthers made it obvious early who they weee picking and the twitter sphere likes to be right. When people say “he was the consensus number 1” of course he was: tepper said he was going to draft him. Plus, people don’t want to deal with pissed off bama fans. Even the videos pointing out his flaws couched all of that with “but it’s never been a problem!” Look on this board: if Bryce was some third rounder from like Maryland no one would be defending. Hell, Clausen was a second rounder from notre dame and people were ready to murder. But just something about Alabama….

Baker was probably not fully healthy in Carolina. Not that he’ll ever be fully healthy, but he was hurting a little and I don’t think he really got back into shape until later in the year. bob Mcadoo ran a notoriously complex offense in New York when he was the OC. Just tons of option routes and stuff requiring the wr and qb to be on the same page. Like they both need to be able to read outside leverage and a safe drifting away and both knowing they need to throw the inside variant. this is a huge problem for baker for three reasons. The first is that Rhule split first team reps all through training camp and preseason for whatever goddamn reason. I think Rhule really thought have an open competition was more important than letting baker build up a rapport with the receivers. People talk about Bryce and receivers not being on the same page every time he three hops a pass or tosses it into the front row. that’s just a qb being poo. Baker was very clearly throwing different routes than the receivers were running. After the first month of the season the wheels were falling off. And that leads to point number two…. Baker is pure vibes. Just the vibes-iest qb in the league. I cannot explain this but it’s just one of those things that you’ll agree with if you think about it. We all know people like that: great when things are going well, useless when things are challenging. When things are going good they’re good. When things are not they’re not. Imagine a dude like that on this team Lastly baker isn’t exactly a cerebral qb, or person. This is a guy who drove an hour to cheat on his wife in a Cheesecake Factory parking lot. Mcadoos offense was probably the worst thing for him. Everyone was talking about how amazing it was he learned the playbook in LA on short notice, but McVay probably was telling him where to throw over headset. I think he would have done well in the second half of the season when Wilkes told Mcadoo to stop being fuging cute and run the damn ball. Baker excels when he’s making simple reads and just slinging it. He’s doing so well in Tampa because he’s got two wide receivers that can get open. He doesn’t have a hose of an arm; he’s more a poor man’s Joe burrow. But he can execute a simple offense and that’s what the bucs did. i don’t know what happens with baker moving forward. Bucs might be without Canales, their offensive coordinator, and Mike Evans who they didn’t extend. They’re probably gonna resign him. But that’s what happened in Carolina. Overly complex offense, not enough time with receivers because of Rhule, and bad vibes.

i love these videos where someone puts together everything they think should have been a catch, ignoring that half of these are terribly placed balls. Just because a WR has a ball hit their hands doesn't mean it's an easy catch. And so what? Give him every "dropped" TD and every dropped yard. He was still terrible. And this is to say nothing about dropped interceptions, or his league leading 11 fumbles that he was mostly lucky with. I'd make a video of those, but I don't have enough time and youtube won't let you upload videos that long.

I think McCarthy would be great in Carolina. the panthers have been decimated at an organizational level. They really need someone who has experience in successful organizations and how they run things. laugh all you want about the cowboys choking, (and I encourage it) but the cowboys have consistently been one of the best teams in the league for drafting and developing players and coaches. That’s what the panthers need right now.