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in the first S2 thread i explained thoroughly how the creators took various things from something called a Neuropsych Evaluation and slapped it on QB performance. Neuropsych Evals are very detailed tests to figure out exactly what neuro-cognitive deficits a patient has (Lewy Body, Stroke, TBI, etc). One part of it measures what is called visual spatial coordination or processing, it's called a few things. Basically how you take visual information, process it, and act (or don't) on it. A very simple example of this is the drawing a clock test. It requires the patient to recall an abstract concept (time), a concrete expression of it (a clock), and recreate this mechanically (draw it.) Alzheimer's for example looks like this. The actual NeuroPsych test is much more in depth and measures ocular reflexes and a whole host of other things. They took that and just said "good quarterbacks do X. Do you want to be good?" On top of that, they teach classes for QBs to do better on this test. So they were trying to make their test part of the player evaluation process and were selling classes to get better at it. This was a transparent scam and a massive HIPAA violation from the start and one day I'm going to go through that old S2 thread and shame every fuging idiot who decided they wanted to argue with a Neurology APP about it.

No look pass. He's a point guard. What's the problem?

the quotes about this fuging dinner read like that onion article about bicycle socks that turns into a hardcore gay threesome halfway through.

Again, pro days at colleges are like playing with a stacked deck. And there were plenty of concerns about his arm strength coming out, those concerns were just mollified by Super Elite Processor Timing whatevers. I mean this is technically a completion but it's everything we've noticed is wrong with him and it's with ghost pressure in his face on an empty field Also you can't see it but the WR has to bail out this catch because it's overthrown.

josh rosen went to the dolphins for a 2nd roudner and he was BAD bad his rookie year. Not bryce bad but still. Trent Richardson was traded for a first and literally did not know how to play football. i still think you could get probably a 3rd/4th just based on pedigree. NFL front office people are sometimes just as stupid as the fan bases. Rams seem like they would take a flyer on him if they could figure out the cap stuff. They need a qb project after Stetson put his whole career up his nose. Panthers might have to eat some cap and Tepper would have to literally eat poo for it but weirder things have happened

if dalton came in and competently ran the offense than yes, it would make tepper look terrible. and some of us want that for many reasons! "Haters" are just realists who's entire worldview isn't contingent upon getting pissed on and calling it rain.

1. He skipped throwing at the combine at least in part because he had forcefed himself to the point one scout said he looked like "a pregnant woman" and didnt' feel comfortable taking off his baggy pants and hoodie. 2. It's literally not. There are plenty of exmples of QBs that sank due to combine performances. Brady Quinn is the big one that comes to mind. Peoiple thought he had a cannon, then the draft process started and he went and threw and scouts realized he was a blimp launcher. Matt Leinart was another. People can't really tell with all the various things going on in a game just how big the arm is, or how bad their footwork is, or if they can take adjustments. You also want to see them in person. Deshaun Watson is someone that worked on his delivery a lot between the end of his college career and the combine. He fixed his footwork and launch angles and improved things and no one would have trusted him if he didn't show it off at the combine. He was great in college (when he wasn't sexually assaulting masseuses) but he threw a duck. Workouts at team facilities aren't as good. Player knows everything, familiar with teh field, has his own guys to throw to, schools fudge up all the numbers (florida is notorious for having multiple people break the record for 40 yard dash every season) etc. Combine has a ton of problems with it and I'm not saying it's perfect but judging arm strength requires a lot more than watching film and stuff. You gotta get your hands on them. If bryce had thrown every scout would have seen a skinny fat kid doing uncle rico impersonations and holding back GOMAD shits. Ken Dorsey was another really funny one. He did a skill competition after 1998 with like Favre, Bledsoe, and Steve Beurlein (1998 season never forget). Basically just them standing at the fifty midfield and hitting targets in the endzone. The three nfl players were just nailing trash cans from fifty out with no effort at all. Dorsey crow hopped into a pass that landed at the 15 yard line outside of the hashes. it was like "oh my that's not an nfl arm."

Part of me thinks you could get a third or fourth just from some gm thinking they’re smarter than everyone else, or rationalizing it was a buy low lottery ticket. or some belichick desciple who still listens to what Saban says about his former players so uh Brian Dabol?

Absolutely by training camp. They hid him in the preseason. like I said, rewatch the Atlanta game or just the quick refresher on his throws. Took Atlanta about a quarter to figure him out.

remember in Atlanta he was allowed to change plays at the line. that was before the coaching staff realized "oh god this kid can't do anything."

This whole “gotta see him on a better team before evaluating him” nonsense is the most transparent bullshit. It’s a thought terminating cliche for people that can’t handle how wrong they were about him and how badly the team has failed. It’s setting up an impossible standard that will never achieved because it’s not being made in good faith. like even if Bryce has not shown glaring weaknesses in his individual game that have nothing to do with what’s going on around him (which lmao if you think he hasn’t) am I supposed to believe he’s going to survive until the panthers turn into the 49ers? And his footwork is not something you’re going to fix. We know based on what Chark said and the athletic article that reich lied about play calls or Bryce’s decisions to protect him. This “we’re gonna work on mechanics next season” nonsense was obviously a lie to protect him and/or tepper.

I’m telling you, spoiled rich kid who’s always been at the best camps and high schools and had the best talent. dude absolutely does not have it. Tepper drafting him was the equivalent of some Ivy League poo getting a 300k consulting job out of school because their parents are big political donors.

Nah, paroxetine can actually be stimulating. Its a weird SNRI and the N stands for norandrenergic Bryce walking around out there like he’s on haldol drip.

When we played Tennessee he made three or four throws effortlessly that Bryce hasnt made all season. dude has a hose and absolutely has that dog in him.

He’ll do game day after some media training and be fine. The Golden Calf of Bristol couldn’t even read when he was at Florida and I know this from one of his tutors who’s a doctor at the same hospital where I work. Functionally illiterate. And he’s passable now. only thing that matters for game day is the fan base you bring with you. He’ll probably do great on dancing with the stars if they can find a girl small enough to be his partner.

Bryce looks, acts, and plays like a spoiled rich kid who has spent his entire life bouncing between thousand dollar a day qb camps and elite high schools and colleges where he was always surrounded by the best players and has never faced a shred of adversity. Dude is Zach Wilson without the arm talent and maybe even less comfortable around black people. he is so fuging checked out.

He absolutely was not. 20/38 for 146 yards (3.8 yp completion), fifty percent completion rating, more picks than TDs. as far as the throws went? Still hucking passes out of bounds, still doing a Fred Astaire impression, still throwing terrible picks (twice to the same player!), still lobbing hospital balls etc. like here it is you can watch it maybe he looks slightly better for the first couple of drives, but starting about midway through the second it turns into the Bryce we know and love. Took the falcons about twenty minutes to figure him out and every team (except the Texans) followed suit. My favorite thing about the Bryce era are these game ending fourth quarter drives. Panthers will be down ten, five minutes left, and take the rest of the time to gain thirty yards against a prevent. Just no sense of urgency or awareness from Bryce at all. Doesn’t look like he could care less. The Atlanta game ends on a five yard scramble on fourth and twenty. Dude is just oblivious.

It's the bears they're going to fug it up.

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yeah basically more specifically, assuming he goes the team president route and brings in a coach/GM combo with a long term vision.. 1. Just draft best player available. There's too many holes all over the team. Trade downs for more/future picks need to be priorities. If it were me, that 33rd pick would be flipped for a 2025 1st. There is no difference for this team between drafting 33rd and 58th. Just get a good player. 2. Free agency needs to be spent on low risk high reward players. Maybe people that didn't live up to draft position or need a change of scenery. 3. Lock up Brown, Luvu long term. Franchise Burns and hope you can get him back on program. The two first round picks trade is gone forever and we need to accept that. The way he's played this year, he's absolutely not worth a first round pick. Also please resign Chinn. I just cannot believe there's nothing there to be salvaged after his rookie season. 4. Focus on the lines. Boring but true. 5. You have to bring in "competition" for Bryce. And by competition I mean a starter, because Bryce can't play in this league. Let him sit on the bench, mollify the owner and the part of the fan base that thinks everything is someone else's fault, and just go out and play boring old football. This team needs a 2002. They need someone to come in, right the ship, and hopefully put them in position to compete in 2025. They DESPERATELY need a good draft and an infusion of young talent. They don't need all pros or whatever; they just need people that can contribute at the NFL lvl.

terrible contract and he was never able to stay healthy. Remember, he only played 10 games the previous two seasons. Most observers praised the compensation the panthers received for that trade, and as bitter a pill it is to swallow I think it as the good move. They just didn't follow it up with good moves so it makes things worse in retrospect. They took those picks and let Tepper's wife draft a 35 year old linebacker who has barely cracked the roster. The world where CMC is still doing well with the Panthers is also probably a world Reich isn't hired, Wilkes is given the HC position, and Bryce is never drafted. Obviously we all want that world. CMC on this current version of the Panthers would be completely wasted. Just getting tee'd off on behind the line of scrimmage and would probably be hurt. It'd be like the end of 2019 when they were just force feeding him to get him a record. It sucks but I'm glad he's not here. Dude might win MVP this year and all Panthers fans should be happy for him. If they win the Super Bowl, I'll be cheering for him. Guy was the definition of class as a Panther, embodied Keep Pounding if ANYONE did, and if they want to put him in the ring of honor one day I'd be all for it.

we're at Raheem Morris era bucs lvl coaches hadn't been fired because they didn't have enough people just to run practice. Mondays were call of duty day. They never installed specific gameplans after the halfway point.

I dunno. Luvu strikes me as the kind of guy who appreciates the opportunity. he’s absolutely a fool, but I think he’ll stay with a fair contract offer.

Also lance got hurt. It’s just not a fair comparison. also lol “if” Bryce busts