electro's horse

He'll probably be fine this week against the Jets but yeah then things are gonna get real.

He’s on a 2 year deal

I mentioned this in another thread but i'll restate it here. Keeping a wait and watch approach and passing on the 5th year option kinda makes sense like obliquely, but in practice neither the team or the player wants it. The player (and unions) doesn't want to risk injury a career ending injury in his 4th season when he could have at least another year locked up, and the team doesn't want to risk the player blowing up in their fourth year and holding them over a barrel in contract negotiations. If you're the QB and you're playing that well you obviously test the free agent market, and you'd probably be bitter about it as well. modern first round qb contracts are essentially 3 year deals with the option of an additional 2 to put downward pressure on contract extensions. You either pick up the 5th year, extend with a new contract, or move on. just sitting tight on the fourth year isn't a practical choice for any of the parties.

Daniel jones getting 14 million this year.

Much better obviously. however egbuka just looks like a better all around player.

He’s a frisbee dog who wants to run to the post and track balls in the air. He struggles picking up balls quickly on slants and screens. Both of these are problems considering the qb and offensive scheme. This also helps explains his relative lack of touchdowns. Currently 31st in the nfl for ypc at 14, behind Bijan Robinson. On pace for just over 1000 yards, five touchdowns, 75 catches he can make circus catches and at times looks like the fastest guy on the field Probably in a bad situation for his skill set. looks far less pro ready than Egbuka.

If you look at what Thielen said about the currently benched Warrior in a Garden up in Minnesota, pretty clear he’s just a company guy with a mic in his face.

“Honey come out! Let’s see more of Paris! It’s a beautiful night!” ”okay, let me just finish talking on the internet about Jordan carstens.”

Lmao arguing for several hours on the internet then bailing because “actually I’m in France”

No one was beating Seattle in Seattle that year. Certainly not whomever won between Chicago and Carolina. That game was a war zone we would have needed the redskins to pull off the upset.

Morgan “played” 13 games in 2005 but didn’t finish a lot of them and was generally pretty beat up. Got taken out of several games with “shoulder stingers.” 2005 was the season his concussions just became too much and he’s said so in interviews. We know this now looking back. This was around the time they started writing all the stories about his hyperbaric sleep chamber and special mouth pieces etc. he couldn’t stay on the field Rucker, Buckner and Minter were all washed. Buckner retired after the season. al Wallace and Jordan Carstens were rotational players? thomas Davis was a rotational safety in 2005 who only started two games. Secondary in general was pretty bad. Gamble specifically regressed notably. Passing defense was 21st in the nfl. And gamble is probably the most overrated defensive player in panthers history.

Moose played for Chicago in 2005. goings ran against Seattle because foster got hurt against the bears. Goings lasted one play in Seattle.

2004 was the team that got destroyed by injuries and was probably the best team in general of that era. 05 Jenkins, Davis and Morgan got hurt (again). Other than that they were pretty healthy.

Your argument is wrong. By 2005 the defense was basically just peppers and Ken Lucas. We can argue about how good peppers was and what that’s worth, but the defense right now is certainly better than it was in 2005. 2004 was peppers and 8 games of mark fields. as it stands right now the team is way better than it was in 2005, minus Steve smith being a god and Bryce being far worse than Jake by any metric you want. Hell right nonw the defense is top ten ish. and again the team talent has nothing to do with him imploding agains the cardinals or jags, or him doing nothing against the falcons, or the fumbles, or his first quarter against the dolphins who are one of the two or three worst teams in the league.

Quoting this for posterity.

Jake did not have better talent throughout his career. Actually the offense got worse every year after 2003. 2004 smith and the entire running game went out; nick goings was your top rusher at the end of the season. 2005 they started losing bodies on the offensive line and Deshaun Foster was the second leading receiver. They just had Steve smith who put up an incredible season. But…moose was all pro the season prior, and what’s the consistency factor? 2006 poo fell apart completely. Bryce, on the other hand, has had a better team each of his subsequent seasons. They’ve thrown resources at the offense like nothing they ever did during delhommes tenure until the 2008 season. Yeah Deangelo was 2006 but the other big addition was a completely washed Keyshawn Johnson. talent or not, bryce has still had three games this year that are all on him being hideous. That is despite him finally having a complete team or whatever you’re imagining. And complete team or not, his stats look pretty similar to what they’ve have in the past. The improvement you’re seeing is just something you want to see. at the end of the day he is what he is.

Just a reminder Bryce has had 11 games with a potential game winning or tying drive at the end where they DIDNT convert. Some of these losses include him - spiking the ball with no time left against Green Bay after throwing to the middle of the field - checking into the wrong play on fourth down against the Vikings - the recent cardinals fiasco

Jake had one of the better deep balls in the league, was an okay scrambler, could take a beating at his age, and played in a much more difficult era. Poor athlete is a stretch.

Arm injury was 07. 06 was when criticism really started. part of the arm injury was likely him overtraining after the 06 season.

Er 2006. Typo. weinke started three games that season there were plenty of criticisms of Jake during the 2005 season. They went to the nfc championship game sure but they were a wildcard team; they weren’t some dominant team in general. as far as justified, probably not; but that has nothing to do with the criticisms Bryce receives.

Jake got so much crap that it was a long lasting rumor that he was married to hurneys daughter, and there were calls in 2005 to bench him for Chris weinke on this very message board.

“Out of shape people take longer to recover?! Google, say it ain’t so!”

He’s missed a month and a half with a non contact soft tissue strain dude is out of shape. I don’t care what they told Joe person to say.

Corollary: right around 200 yards through the air is basically what he’s good for per game. panthers win if the running game and defense get going and he doesn’t sabotage too badly early.

I think Coker might have a case of the “is fat.”