electro's horse

You’re calling players “serviceable” which is a meaningless subjective descriptor then backing that up with stats across vastly different eras of football without any context. Youre being disingenuous and annoying.

id be fine with us drafting calvin johnson

did you get this list of QBs from chatgpt? You're being laughed at on other parts of the internet btw lmao that's a list, but for fun since I like football history: Sam Darnold: 13-25 in his three Jets years, including two under Adam Gase. Do I need to say more? Geno Smith: 11-18 in two seasons, lost starting job his third year when a preseason jaw injury opened the door to FitzMagic. Jake Plummer: 15-21 in his first three seasons, which doesn't include a playoff win over Dallas, he struggled badly when they let Larry Centers go after his second season without a replacement (Remember when fullbacks were centerpieces of offenses? That was cool). Jim Plunkett: 14-28 in three (14-game) seasons, during the NFL's dead ball era for a bad team in a tough division. Doug Williams: 19-22-1 in his first three seasons, including a 10-6 second year where they went to the NFC Championship game, after taking over a team that had been 2-26 the prior two years. He had a great defense and was content with 40% completion because he was chucking bombs. Tommy Maddox: 0-4 as a rookie in 1992, then never started again until 2002 when he had his resurgence with Pittsburgh. Maddox entered the draft after his sophomore season when that was extremely uncommon because Dan Reeves thought he might be the replacement for John Elway, then when Reeves got fired, Maddox never saw the field. He'd bounce around but as mentioned, basically barely saw the field after his rookie year, having just 164 attempts in his pre-XFL stints with Denver, the LA Rams, Giants, and Falcons (The latter two as basically a practice squad guy when Reeves was the head coach in both cities). Steve Young: 5-17 in his first three seasons, but those first two years were with Tampa during the middle of all their double digit loss seasons when that franchise was basically at its nadir. Like, yeah, he was bad with them, who wasn't? Everyone knew he had a ton talent from college and his time in the USFL. He went 2-1 in his third year, his first as Joe Montana's backup. Drew Brees: 10-17 in three seasons, which includes him not starting a game as a rookie, an 8-8 second year when he finally did start, then 2-9 and getting benched for Doug Flutie his third year. San Diego Brees was not quite the same as New Orleans Brees. Rich Gannon: He didn't start a game his first three seasons, then went 19-16 over the 1990-1992 seasons when he was the Vikings main starter. Those Minnesota teams were feeling the effects of the Herschel Walker trade and bad coaching. Alex Smith: Already mentioned, but 11-19 in his first three seasons, with three different OCs running different systems and the head coach interfering as well. Vinny Testaverde: 10-23 in three years, replacing Steve Young, and throwing an absurd 63 INTs (With 35 alone in his second season!). Again, Tampa was horrible and Vinny didn't play great but also had little around him in those years, plus bad coaching. Terry Bradshaw: 19-16 in three years, notably going 11-3 his third year and making it to the AFC Championship. His numbers were not good at all, but this was 1970-1972 playing for a defense/run first team. Now, 30 starts doesn't exactly work out to three seasons, but the only two with as nearly an awful win-loss rate as Bryce were Maddox and Steve Young. Bryce would need to win 4 games just to get to double digit wins (Which would tie Brees and Vinny).

That's also in an era when DBs could press for 10 yards, Qbs could be hit, QBs could have players land on them, incidental contact could be made with the head etc. You can't compare bryce to players like this. What you can do is say who's done less over their first 30 starts and had more resources dedicated to them and at that point you're looking at like Joey Harrington. At least with Joey there weren't morons in the fan base falling over themselves to compare him to players from the first year of the NFL merger.

no one is going to take you seriously when you're pulling in doug williams and jim plunketts of the world. you're just listing QBs who had a fluke not terrible season later in their career, and you're butchering that. Like Tommy Maddox is kill on site in Pittsburgh. you're sea lioning in defense of the biggest (shortest) qb bust of the modern era.

Honestly this makes Bryce look worse. legette just doesn’t make plays on the ball and with a weak armed qb dbs will always be able to close.

Ryne was a good returner who got hurt and lost his burst.

Doug Williams? Are we waiting for a work stoppage?

Even if he doesn’t get brushed by someone im not sure where that pass is going. I guess tremble? Who’s double covered and isn’t gonna pull that down anyway? that pass is probably picked if he gets it off.

Tedy blew the game? What game were you watching? Dude was the only reason they were in it. this was agains the chiefs, sorry.

Doesn’t Lewis have a nagging foot injury too? that’s just a ticking time bomb.

Obvious next question is who Dave thinks played worse.

Lmao

Everyone got hurt while he was in San Fran, and they just had a bunch of general regression to the mean. it seems like Wilks biggest problem is that he’s difficult to work with, and he can rub players and fellow coaches the wrong way. He obviously had a lot of respect in the panthers locker room he wouldn’t necessarily have in San Fran. He was also probably saying a lot of things everyone else was thinking about Al Snow, Rhule, that weird DB coach he fired after the bengals game etc.

It’ll take a Bryce injury if we haven’t seen him yet this season.

I mean I don’t think hunt wanted to blow out his biceps tendon. that’s a shitty injury. it’s not like Jeff otah rehabbing a back injury at massage envy.

He’s been subordinate to Dave since Seattle and has followed him around wherever they’ve gone. He’s also someone who would have been around those late nights when Dave relapsed on porn and was going to strip clubs. Feel free to draw your own conclusions there.

Three coaching staffs in a row tho. Maybe he’s just an imbecile in the film room because he’s always looked at least competent in the games Canales probably hates him because he’s Mormon or something.

Remember that scene from event horizon?

What brand? what he uses on his horses?

https://x.com/stevereedap/status/1967657056162431022?s=46 Probably it for Hunt for the season.

It’s not the worst strategy to run an inside draw in that situation….if the defense respects the deep pass. Patriots made a killing on that play It’s one thing when you’ve got baker mayfield, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. it’s another thing when you have someone you absolutely under no circumstances are going to let go play action deep from the 11.

When they were in position to win the game he poo himself. yes against prevent down 24 points in the fourth is garbage time.

Oh no I have no optimism about this team. sorry if I was unclear.

Is there anything more grating than forced optimism