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What happens if the defense blocks/intercepts/recovers on a 1/2pt try and they kick it through the uprights via dropkick, is that worth 1 point?

Ok, I gotta give it to you on that one. I laughed my ass off.

Link doesn't work in the app. It just sent me to an '08 religion debate or something.

I was wondering what happened to him. People were raving about him at the Senior Bowl but he completely disappeared in the last month or so.

oooo that's interesting

MORE LINEBACKERS BITCHES

Yea

and now I can quit watching after the 5th! win-win

not terrible value

Which Twitter account(s) are you following?

so there hasn't been a WR taken since Funchess. starting to look like other teams thought there was a drop off in talent too

Cam's definitely gonna die on thanksgiving

Is the 2nd included?

oh lawd

You literally said "if you want Cam to be better, put better players around him" as if we can't get better without a better supporting cast. Tannehill, Luck, and Wilson all had garbage OLs and receivers last year and they still produced.

That wasn't my point. I know that Cam has jack poo for support. All I am saying is that he can still improve even with the help that he currently has. You act as if Cam is the greatest QB ever and all he needs to take the next step is better help.

So what you're saying is that Cam can't improve unless he gets better talent? That's the dumbest statement I've ever heard. If you put Rodgers in our offense he would produce waaay better numbers than Cam ever has.

A completion percentage of what? 62? Just because it's his career best doesn't mean it's good. My point was that he still has plenty of room to improve even if his situation wasn't the best. And I can't answer your question because I don't know. Every quarterback is placed in a different situation and it's difficult to distinguish if the quarterback makes those around him better or if the players around him make him look good.

Cam's help was only absolutely terrible last year. In 2013, he had a Pro Bowl LT, Centre, and fullback, a decent WR 1 and 2, a great tight end, and an 11 ranked rushing attack. That isn't as bad as some of you suggest.

You act as if I'm a Cam hater. I'm not. I think Cam is a very good quarterback, but he still has a ways to go. Here are some of the problems I see with Cam: -He can fail to sense pressure from the outside and struggles to step up in the pocket unless he has A LOT of room to work with -He struggles with anticipating when receivers will get open, he has to see the receiver first before he passes -He has a tendency to stare down receivers on his 1st read -At times he can be very slow going through his progressions. A receiver may be open for a second or two before Cam sees him. By that time the window has closed up. Most of these things can be improved without the help of a better supporting cast.

To be honest, I couldn't care less about what Cam has done in his first 4 seasons and how it compares to the other quarterbacks around the league. All I care about is where he is now as a quarterback and how he can improve to take the next step to becoming a consistent top 10 passer.

Oh I completely I agree. I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Cam can still improve on his mechanics and such. I'd almost prefer if Shula made Cam stay in the pocket in training camp and eliminate some of the silly read options and quarterback powers to really drill into Cam's mind of who he needs to become. At least to a certain extent anyway.

I agree with what Rivera is saying, but if you want Cam to become a pocket passer then you have to call plays as if he's a pocket passer. When Cam gets into a rhythm with his arm, he can be very good. After rewatching the first half of the season, I've seen that these designed runs that Shula calls for Cam end up killing his momentum passing the ball. I just find that Rivera is being kinda hypocritical with his comments. I'm pretty sure Voth wrote an article about this at about midseason.

Maybe they should stop running Cam on designed runs if they want him to become a polished passer. He actually played really well early in the season before Shula "unleashed" him.

Fug. I've been late twice in this thread now.