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I laughed, but still not true. Gronk averaged more yards and TDs per game over his *much longer* career.

You're pretty far off on this one. Gronk and Hernandez played together for the first three years of both their careers. Hernandez only received for more yards in their rookie year. Gronk made the all-rookie team that year with 4 more TDs than Hernandez. Gronk was 1st team All-Pro in his second year I'm not saying Hernandez wasn't good. He was very good, but it's difficult to argue Gronk isn't one of the best tight ends of all-time.

I did one mock without trading up for a QB (above) and focusing on a combo of BPA and needs. Below was my mock if I traded up for a QB. I’d prefer Young, but I’d be happy with Stroud too. I tried to be aggressive with heavy offensive picks to support the young QBs.

Stetson Bennett is a better QB than Richardson right now. Will he be in 3-4 years? Idk, but if forced to pick one of the two to lead my team to a win this weekend, I’m picking Bennett. If picking a QB to lead my franchise for the next decade, I’d probably go AR and cross my fingers.

This isn’t MLB where you can just pay whatever you’d like.

I think the mocks are off and Abanikanda will go higher than he’s currently projected. And if you’re going for a speed back, I prefer Keaton Mitchell from ECU over Achane. His speed is just different. Can’t wait to see what he runs at the combine/pro day. No need to draft a RB on Day 2 if you can get one of these backs in the 4th or later.

You saying Olsen was a better TE than Gronk?

Israel Abanikanda in the 5th

I’d say it’s a toss up who would win a dry weather game between the two, but I agree with your premise. The Bills have no RB/TE threats and their WRs are not as talented as the Bengals. It also looks like they’re outmanned in the trenches too.

Sounds like there won’t be a QB competition this off-season in SF: https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-rumors-brock-purdy-has-won-49ers-2023-qb-battle-over-trey-lance?amp

I’ll be sick if we trade up for Levis.

I do think Mayer will drop some after the combine. I don’t expect him to blow away the 40 or agility drills. He is ~270lbs though.

We’re picking 9th with the QBs we had this year. We’d be picking even lower if Darnold was healthy all year. Unkess he has a terrible injury (hopefully not), he’ll be a top 5 pick.

We’re not picking high enough to land Harrison next year if Payton is our coach. The Saints might be with their own pick.

I don't disagree that finding holes in zones may be easier for TEs. Still, how many teams have tight ends as their leading receivers? Looks like just KC and Baltimore.

Because DJ would be drafted in the 2018 1st round again based on his production so far.

I'm the one doing homework. You're just yapping. I'm comparing their receiving #s to our #1 WR. I shouldn't need to explain why a TE averaging anywhere close to your #1 WR is worthy of 1st round selection. As to your original point of tight ends NEVER hold 1st round value, you can see from the names provided there is usually 1 per draft. I'd argue 1-2. Still makes you wrong.

You and few others would pass on a TE in the 1st if you knew they'd give you over 40 yards and more TDs per game than your #1 WR.

Rushing Receiving Rk Player From To Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD 1 Mark Andrews 2018 2022 0.1 0.1 0.0 4.4 56.0 0.4 2 D.J. Moore 2018 2022 0.5 4.2 0.0 4.6 65.0 0.3 If DJ is worth a 1st round selection, so is Mark Andrews at TE.

You wouldn't be debating me, you'd be debating multiple redraft articles I found online. I didn't put a single TE up there that wasn't found in a redraft article being taken in the 1st round. Then I viewed their stats and made an attempt to split them up by position in the 1st round. Hockenson and Goedert are both averaging over 40 receiving yards/game and more TDs per game than DJ Moore. They are worthy of 1st round selections. There are also borderline tight ends like Kyle Rudolph, Tyler Eifert, and Noah Fant that would be borderline last pick in the 1st types, but more likely 2nd rounders. Your point was to NEVER select a TE in the first. I proved that wrong.

2010: Gronk (top 5), Jimmy Graham (mid), Aaron Hernandez (mid) 2011: Julius Thomas (late) 2012: NONE 2013: Kelce (top 5), Zach Ertz (mid), Jordan Reed (late) 2014: NONE 2015: Darren Waller (late) 2016: Hunter Henry (late) 2017: George Kittle (top 10), Evan Engram (late) 2018: Mark Andrews (mid), Dallas Goedert (late) 2019: TJ Hockenson (mid) So according to that decade, 14 total TEs for an avg of 1.4 worthy of 1st round selection per year. A top 10 draft pick-worthy TE comes along once every 3-4 years. There is typically ONE tight end worthy of mid-round or higher selection every year. Picking the right one is the tricky part.

Washington is in the #3-6 range in my TE rankings. I like Mayer and Kincaid better. Kraft, LaPorta, and Musgraves are all likely better receiving threats too. We already have a young, blocking TE.

Sure I can. I’ve looked into it. You’re assuming a fantasy draft where every player in the nfl is available in the same draft. That’s not reality. In reality, there are an average of 1-2 TEs worthy of being drafted in the 1st, mostly towards the end of that round. Now those TEs are often missed in the evaluation process and drop in the actual draft, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t worthy of a 1st round selection. Just means the scouts missed them.

Not true