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I'm the one doing homework. You're just yapping. I'm comparing their receiving #s to our #1 WR. I shouldn't need to explain why a TE averaging anywhere close to your #1 WR is worthy of 1st round selection. As to your original point of tight ends NEVER hold 1st round value, you can see from the names provided there is usually 1 per draft. I'd argue 1-2. Still makes you wrong.

You and few others would pass on a TE in the 1st if you knew they'd give you over 40 yards and more TDs per game than your #1 WR.

Rushing Receiving Rk Player From To Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD 1 Mark Andrews 2018 2022 0.1 0.1 0.0 4.4 56.0 0.4 2 D.J. Moore 2018 2022 0.5 4.2 0.0 4.6 65.0 0.3 If DJ is worth a 1st round selection, so is Mark Andrews at TE.

You wouldn't be debating me, you'd be debating multiple redraft articles I found online. I didn't put a single TE up there that wasn't found in a redraft article being taken in the 1st round. Then I viewed their stats and made an attempt to split them up by position in the 1st round. Hockenson and Goedert are both averaging over 40 receiving yards/game and more TDs per game than DJ Moore. They are worthy of 1st round selections. There are also borderline tight ends like Kyle Rudolph, Tyler Eifert, and Noah Fant that would be borderline last pick in the 1st types, but more likely 2nd rounders. Your point was to NEVER select a TE in the first. I proved that wrong.

2010: Gronk (top 5), Jimmy Graham (mid), Aaron Hernandez (mid) 2011: Julius Thomas (late) 2012: NONE 2013: Kelce (top 5), Zach Ertz (mid), Jordan Reed (late) 2014: NONE 2015: Darren Waller (late) 2016: Hunter Henry (late) 2017: George Kittle (top 10), Evan Engram (late) 2018: Mark Andrews (mid), Dallas Goedert (late) 2019: TJ Hockenson (mid) So according to that decade, 14 total TEs for an avg of 1.4 worthy of 1st round selection per year. A top 10 draft pick-worthy TE comes along once every 3-4 years. There is typically ONE tight end worthy of mid-round or higher selection every year. Picking the right one is the tricky part.

Washington is in the #3-6 range in my TE rankings. I like Mayer and Kincaid better. Kraft, LaPorta, and Musgraves are all likely better receiving threats too. We already have a young, blocking TE.

Sure I can. I’ve looked into it. You’re assuming a fantasy draft where every player in the nfl is available in the same draft. That’s not reality. In reality, there are an average of 1-2 TEs worthy of being drafted in the 1st, mostly towards the end of that round. Now those TEs are often missed in the evaluation process and drop in the actual draft, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t worthy of a 1st round selection. Just means the scouts missed them.

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Nope. That’s your character and lack of wisdom speaking out. Only the least of us think finding our coach is more important than supporting family/friends who just lost a loved one.

My preference at this point: Steichen Dorsey Ryans (they said both parties may "circle back" later in the process) Kafka Wilks Reich (because I think we could get him as OC if Wilks retained) Broncos DC Caldwell Payton (If rumored 2 1sts from Panthers is true. If only one future 1st or less, he rises to top 2) ***My top 4 are close to interchangeable. A lot of potential and unknown with each of them. Similar candidates with differing approaches. Hopeful we choose the right one.

I‘m going with 1/24

It would be a punch in the gut to give up two 1sts for Payton with no franchise QB on the roster.

McAdoo/Fangio? Just wondering.

Doug Pederson or Mike Vrabel Who is the better coach? Who do you prefer to lead your team? Mike Vrabel has coached 5 years and averages right at 10 wins per season. No trophies to show for it. Doug Pederson, if you exclude the year he won the Super Bowl, is just under .500 in win % and averaged ~8 wins over 5 years.

None of those trades were terrible if you consider the situations we were in at the time and what we gave up. We got Mayfield for peanuts at a backup QB value. We gave the Jaguars a below average tight end and ~4th round value pick for our #3 CB. Darnold was a risk and he played like he may have been worth the trade this year. Likely too little, too late for him though. You question the move to acquire Stafford? The QB who won a Super Bowl last year? lol Also, we clearly weren’t going to give up all that Watson wanted for that trade. We have different views on these moves.

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I truly feel like we're in on every deal. I would much rather have that mentality from an owner/GM combo than those who never make a push. It's more fun to follow. Rock Hill doesn't bother me - not my money Soccer doesn't bother me - not my money

I’ll be thrilled if we come away from the ‘24 draft with any of Maye, Williams, Harrison Jr, or Bowers. Looking like a strong draft at the top. Deep with high ceiling QBs too.

The more I watch of Mayer and Kincaid, the less separation exists imo. Kincaid is a more fluid runner, but Mayer is listed around 25lbs heavier. Both are great options.

I just can’t imagine the Jets being scary.

This for me too. Except if it’s just over the border in SC. Don’t see that happening though. I do wish they were closer to eastern NC. It would make watching them a lot easier, but if they remain in NC, they’ll always be my team.

My dream scenario (ignoring my dream of landing Maye/Williams in 2024): -Bears stay at #1 and go best defensive player in draft -Texans are scared off of Young due to size concerns and draft Stroud/Levis -We trade up (swap 1sts + both 2023 2nds + 2023 5th) with the Cardinals and select Young. We would have a Mahomes-esque QB to build around on a rookie contract with all of our draft picks in tact the following years.

My bet is he ends up signing a contract elsewhere that is slightly higher, but not very different from what the Ravens offered.

I honestly started reading his statement on Twitter expecting it to be a “staying in school” announcement. They did a good job raising interest. Young/Stroud or mid to late round rookie in this draft for me.

If Fangio is consulting for the Eagles as one poster mentioned, and the Eagles DC is rumored to be leading for Texans HC, doesn’t it make sense that he’d take that position if vacant?