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Y’all are wild with the Young doubt. He was projected by many to weigh ~185lbs at the combine. Once he showed he can put on weight, now it’s not his “playing weight.” Ridiculous. He’s 21 years old. It’s plausible his playing weight could be 215lbs in his sophomore year. He’s the best at playing QB in this draft.

Maybe Campen feels good about Mays. I think it’s iffy that he’d be better than Elf to start next season. We should know by March 19th when Elflein is due a $1.26mil roster bonus. In any event, I think he’d have some trade value so I wouldn’t release him. The acquiring team would be getting a low end starting caliber center for ~$4.2mil. If Daley pulled a 5th round pick, I’d think we could do better for Elf.

I don’t think we release Elflein until we ink a deal with the White Rhino. Even then, we have very little IOL depth, especially considering the injuries to Corbett and Christensen.

Restructure Shaq & sign Okereke, Pratt, or Holcomb.

You could see it coming a mile away. The combine came and went, and now people are saying Stroud and Richardson are above Young. Some have completely written Young off due to size concerns. Size is legitimately the only negative I’ve seen posters refer to when discussing Young. Bryce Young has been proving he’s the best QB among his peers since the Army All-American game. He actually weighed in heavier than many expected at the combine. He’s QB1 in this draft and I expect a career success arc that lands somewhere between Kyler Murray and Patrick Mahomes. Could a freaky play cause a serious injury? Sure. But I just watched a 45 year old, with less lean muscle mass than Young, make it through an entire season. I’m willing to bet a 22 year old Young who will likely be weighing ~210lbs can hold up.

I understand and agree we can’t keep putting off going after a QB. With that said, the thought of Drake Maye becoming a franchise QB for the Bucs or Falcons makes me want to vomit.

Agree. I’ve been saying Laporta is TE3 for a while. Brian Branch is another guy I have high on my non-QB wish list.

For a similar/equivalent haul? Yes.

QB: Brissett RT: Moton DE: Burns + two 2nd round picks OR QB: #1 pick in 2023 draft RT: Broderick Jones DE: Isaiah Foskey or other 2nd/3rd rounder acquired through trade back + $20mil in cap to spend on FAs I know which choice I’m taking. The one that should secure the most important position on the field.

Burns + Moton + both 2023 2nd round picks should be enough imo. Trade back from #9 to acquire more picks. Target a tackle to replace Moton (Broderick Jones?) and I like Isaiah Foskey at DE/EDGE. That would also free up ~$20mil in 2023 cap savings that can be used to secure an off ball LB and safety. Draft TE Sam LaPorta with our 3rd round pick and a RB (Spears/Abanikanda/Mitchell) with one of our 4ths then we’re ready to roll.

If I were a pro QB, I’d take 25 million per year instead of 40 to play for the Panthers. What am I really going to do with 40mil per year that will make my life extraordinarily better than earning 25mil per? My answer is nothing that would overcome playing QB for my favorite team in my home state. Not claiming D Jones shares that sentiment.

No way he’s a top 5 RB as a rookie. I don’t see it.

I’d rather have AT Perry in the 3rd and Johnston in the 1st. I’m a fan of Branch too. If we’re looking safety help, he solves that. Then you can move Chinn to the “fast LB” role we’re looking to fill. Add a TE in the 2nd/3rd and we’ve addressed a lot of areas with two of our top picks, just not the biggest area.

Yea, he’s probably best in class at that too.

It’s their overall career numbers, and I wasn’t selective in choosing stats. Completon % Passing yards Rushing yards TDs INTs Fumbles That’s a pretty good base level to determine a QB’s production. FWIW, I don’t want Trubisky to be our next QB. I just don’t want to pay Carr $35mil a year for what would be modestly better performance than what Trubisky would provide.

I missed that interview. I know most of their messaging has portrayed shipping the #1 pick and riding with Fields. Most of their fans seem to want Fields to stay. I don't think Bears fans (or front office staff) are the best QB evaluators.

Same. I would trade Fields for a haul and draft Young if I were the Bears GM. We seem to be the minority though.

I just don't view them as wildly different QBs in 2023. It seems with QBs, there are many people who rely on the eye test. That's the kind of perspective that sells you on a Justin Fields, convincing you he's your franchise QB, when he just led you to the #1 overall draft pick.

Presenting the stats that way was an attempt to simplify and show that Trubisky is nearly as successful on his pass attempts as Carr. I stand by that. Clearly, some posters have shown an inability in looking at the raw stats as is without going to "total this, total that." Look at his per game stats. Carr's are not $30mil better. I hope no one would argue Trubisky has had a better supporting cast over that time. Sure. Of course the type of offense, skillset, and coach's trust should factor in to player evals. At some point, production comes in to play. Question for you.... Looking at those per game statistics, do you view Carr as far more productive than Trubisky per game?

@Cdparr7: “What do you say to the total yards over the same amount of time or even per attempt? Or total TDs over the same amount of time, 4th quarter comebacks, game winning drives, etc? Throw the full comparison out there. “ I say it’s stupid to compare total stats (explains why you would use it) when one QB started all the games in that span and the other spent many as a backup. That’s why we’re looking at “per game” production. Let me simplify it for you… If Trubisky and Carr had the same amount of attempts rushing and passing per game, and we assume everything else remained the same, here’s what the stats say you could expect from both per game: Completion %: Carr - 64.6% Trubisky - 64.2% Passing Yards + TDs: Carr - 248 yards + 1.5 TDs Trubisky - 235 yards + 1.4 TDs Rushing Yards + TDs: Trubisky - 17.5 yards + 0.2 TDs Carr - 10.5 yards + 0.08 TDs Turnovers: Carr - 0.7 INTs + 0.56 Fumbles Trubisky - 0.9 INTs + 0.42 Fumbles To my original point, the difference in Carr and Trubisky from a production standpoint doesn’t seem to validate a ~$30mil difference in pay per year. I’m not arguing that Trubisky is the better QB. Only showing why I believe you could get 90% of Carr’s production for a fraction of the cost with Trubisky.

3 years totaling $9.5mil with $4.5mil signing bonus would be good with me. Then draft Abanikanda in the 4th and we’re good, not great, at RB for the next few years.

You and I have a different opinion of Moore. I see him as a 25-30 type WR. That’s still good enough to be a #1. But I also view Darnold as a 25-40 caliber QB, and I wouldn’t mind an upgrade. He’s better suited as a backup. I believe Moore would be an exceptional WR2.

Not when you look at total TDs as I mentioned. And the additional passing yards per game for Carr is a product of 7 more passing attempts per game. If Carr kept the same yards/attempt he’s put up over his career, and only threw 27.6 times a game like Trubisky, he’d average 196 passing yards per game. 10 more than Trubisky while rushing for 17 yards less per game. Try actually interpreting the data before calling someone handicapped.

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