AU-panther

So how often in the last 10 years was a QB available at our spot in the first round that you didn’t have concerns about? Just not you, that probably applies for all of us. I didn’t have concerns about Luck and Manning, feel pretty good about Trevor. QBs are hard to find, fact is there aren’t many that don’t have concerns and they usually go 1st overall. Even then it’s not every year. Plenty of years where the top QB has some concerns.

impressive stat for both of them

I just see Miami being more likely to stick with Tua than the Jets sticking with Darnold. I think CMC would be most enticing to the Dolphins just because they are all ready a good team, he could be seen as that last piece, not to mention would be good for Tua’s development.

I don’t think it is some “campaign” to discredit Fields but instead some actual metrics that are a bit concerning when trying to predict the ability to translate to the next level. The question is, are these issues because he can’t or because he wasn’t asked to because of the system he was in. I do agree with you that his accuracy and arm talent is as great. If you ask him to drop back and throw to his first read he is as good as anyone, including Trevor. Personally I’m higher on him than most because I think some of the so called perceived issues can be fixed with coaching.

With no combine I wonder will teams get an accurate height/weight on him? What is he listed at now? As far as the shoulder goes that is concerning, everyone likes to say Lance has the biggest bust chance, but if there are any shoulder concerns at all then really Wilson is the riskiest of the 4. Teams are really going to have to trust their medical.

If we have a 2nd round pick left I could see us going OT there, seems to be a deeper class than normal. I would think there is a good chance your top 4-5 will be gone by then. What OTs do you think have a realistic chance to be at pick 39? Maybe guys 6-8

When talking about positional value you also have to look at positional availability. An elite WR might actually be as important as an elite OT, but I would say its easier to find a great WR later in the draft. For various reasons some really good WRs always seem to fall to the 2nd round. Could be that they are one of the most dependent positions on a football field so they probably fall through the cracks a bit at the college level. A Rondale Moore playing for Alabama might be talked about in the top-10, but instead he goes later 1st or early 2nd. Where as an OT or edge that has elite tools will show up on scouts radar from any school and there is plenty of 1vs1 tape on him where as that WR is dependent on scheme and QB play. Also everyone likes to rank edge above corners but there is actually some research out there that a good corner actually adds more value than an good edge, but then which is easier to find later. Here again you can't make a draft decision in a vacuum, you have to look at the entire draft. I don't think you can have hard rules based on rounds, but instead just some general guidelines. QBs, OTs, and pass rushers seem the hardest to find, take them the earliest RBs, Interior O-line, and LBs seem the easiest to find later so take them later. Everything else in between. Also you have to look at free agency. For example really good LTs seem really hard to find, not only in the draft, but also in free agency. You might be willing to pay top dollar, but some years none even hit the market, or they are older if they do. Whereas most years there seem to be some good CB and pass rushing options. I might view that CB or pass rusher as more valuable than a LT but I might use an earlier pick on a LT because I know I have a better chance of signing an edge or CB in free agency.

Watson might prefer Miami or New York to Charlotte for various reasons, beaches, nightlife, marketing but I don't see some perceived Cam influence being it. Most likely he will end up, if traded, going to the team that makes the best offer that the Texans like.

New GM, won't want to be known as the guy that gives away an elite QB for nothing.

being able to throw deep isn't the same as being willing to. I doubt there is a huge difference in arm strength between the two, Teddy just chooses to be really conservative for whatever reason.

So, a QB that really wants to leave his current team would be ok with his current team trading him to most teams. Not really a newsflash. People around here, incorrectly have this idea that he is going to take his no trade clause and pick the one team he wants to go to. He wants out, the Texans are going to decide where they are willing to trade him and then he can decide how bad he wants out, and chances are he would be open to most places.

there were a lot of people that had doubts and Teddy and the contract they gave him.

I would have much preferred Jameis at 1yr for $1.1m than Teddy at 3yrs/60m.

very true. People love to look at the just the first round QBs and conclude that the chance of being right is low, which it is, but you have to take the time to compare it to the other rounds. Maybe the chance of a 1st round QB is only 20%, seems low, but maybe the chance of a later round QB is only 2%. That means you are 10 times more likely to be right in the first. A team that is constantly trying to beat the odds in the later rounds usually just ends up wasting draft picks that could have been used on players that had a realistic chance of working out.

Lets say Watson isn't traded or ends up elsewhere. Lets imagine that the cost of trading up to 3 or 5 is to high. Maybe all 4 QBs go before 8. Sign Jameis, draft Pitts, and lets score some points. Maybe we score 40 and win, or we score 30 with 3 interceptions and lose. Either way it will be entertaining games. I meant this kind of joking but there is some merit to it. I'm starting to get a little bit of a concern that we might overpay for someone out of desperation. Sometimes the best option is to punt. Signing Jameis and then drafting Pitts or a OT would actually be a low risk option compared to selling the farm to trade up. Jameis might actually surprsise some people, he definitely has arm talent. His reputation for turnovers might have been influenced somewhat by playing in an Arians offense at TB. Jameis with our offensive weapons would probably put up good numbers. Worst case he walks in a year and you flip him for a comp pick. He could be a buy low, sell higher possibility with some upside potential, whereas Teddy is going to end up being a buy high, sell low signing, that based on history didn't really have much upside.

Mac Jones could end up being the next Tom Brady with his accuracy and "winning ways", but he also seems to a bit similar to Teddy, which we seem to be looking for something different.

and this is why his no trade clause has been overstated by this forum. No trade clauses are mostly put there to help players who don't want to be traded. Occasionally they might come into play if a player really hates a particular team or location, but for the most part if a player really wants out, then they aren't going to limit themselves to one particular destination.

For the same reason I said from the start, someone in the organization thought they could win with him. The idea that he was just a bridge QB, which most around thought, was stupid from the start. If that was the case they wouldn't be talking about getting rid of him like they are.

what are the realistic chance we pick 1st though. Look at the Jets this year and Miami the year before. It is actually hard to tank for the 1st pick.

Miami is the team I would think would really like to go all in. There were a good team last year. They don't need the the to rebuild like the Jets. They have, I think, 5 1st over the next 3 years. They could probably trade Tua for another 1st

I totally agree that our lack of QB to offer will be our biggest disadvantage compared to the Jets and/or Miami, but there is a chance it could work in our favor. The Jets and Miami could both decide they are happy not trading for Watson. They might be less willing to go all in so to speak. Maybe the Jets decide to only offer two 1st since one of them is the 2nd pick this year. Wilson + multiple 1st + $30m in cap space each year for the next 4-5 years isn't a bad backup plan. It really could go either way, and that is even if the Texans decide to trade him.

The offer sounds crazy but its probably really not that off. All along I've thought the over/under from us would be something like three 1st and 2 players. His offer is pretty much two 1st and 3 players, with 2 later picks. Of the 3 players none are Burns so that is a plus. People need to realize that if this was to happen its going to hurt. If you are comfortable with what you are giving up for Watson you probably need to add to it.

You can make an argument for the Eagles to take draft a QB. You can make an argument for the Eagles to draft a non-QB. You can make an argument for the Eagles to trade down. All that really matters for the Panthers is that you have to operate on the assumption that a QB could be drafted at 6.

I don't know if we have the patience to wait until next year. I could see us making Miami an offer they can't refuse. At a certain point we might need to hope other teams protect us from ourselves by refusing to do the deal regardless of what we offer.

I had that same question, who knows. Maybe there is a pay cut on the table and giving him time?