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I think fans are totally overlooking the chance we could go WR at some point in the draft. Fans tend to think in current year terms, but both Moore and Anderson are in the last year of their contracts. Even if they extend Moore you have a huge hole across from him. Also people need to remember that WR1, WR2, and WR3 are all basically starters. Good teams, the type you end up facing in the playoffs, can often take away your first option. I don't mind a WR early, I think it is a high value position, but for various reason there seems to be some really good value in the 2nd and 3rd with receivers lately, and this years class is deep again.

People need to realize that teams don't think in terms of need and just drafting the next highest ranked player. Fan's board: OT1>OT2>CB1>TE1 Teams think in terms more of grade. Teams board might be something like: OT1>TE1>CB1>OT2 or even OT1>TE1>trade down>CB1>OT2 The team could easily have Pitts and Sewell in a totally different tier than everyone else. If Pitts and Sewell are both gone I could actually see us trading down.

I am all for drafting an OT in the first if we don't go QB. I think this years class lines up very well from a value and need perspective. Also I think OTs are a good choice for 1st round picks from a positional value and importance aspect. Look at some of the contracts that OTs get in free agency. but... There are some fans here that have unrealistic expectations of offensive lines, Unless the QB has six seconds to throw on every pass, and the RB doesn't get touched until he is 5 yards downfield they think we have the worst line in the league. I'm not sure if they will every really be happy. Also people need to realize more goes into a QB pressure than just the O-line in front of him. Play calling and QB play is a huge part of it. Also receivers play a part. Having a 1st read receiver that gets open consistently helps a lot. How many sacks happen before the 1st read? How many after? Here again, I'm not saying we shouldn't draft one. If anything this definitely looks like the year we should. There are a couple of guys that look to be good value at 8. There are a few more that might be good value with our second round pick, this class seems deeper than most.

Lets say Fields is still on the board at 7 and we really like Fields. Detroit calls and says "give us a third to move up one spot" or we are taking a future 1st from WFT to trade with them. We give up a third to move one spot to insure we get the QB we like. You are thinking like a fan, not a team. Most fans will be happy with any of the top-4 QBs. Chances are though, that most teams, after lengthy evaluations, will definitely like one QB more than the other. History though tells us that often those teams guess wrong, and sometimes not getting what you want ends up better.

I didn't' say that I thought Slater would be gone by pick 8. I said that between Sewell, Pitts, and Slater there is a very good chance 2 out of the 3 will be gone by pick 8. Apparently you don't agree with that, which is fine, we'll see what happens.

Lets say Atlanta or another team in front of us trades down with a team looking for a QB That means 4 picks will be used on QBs. That leaves 3 non QBs to be drafted before us. A team could easily choose Chase over Sewell. Seems to be a lot of chatter about Pitts being one of the top 3 non-QBs so a team could go Pitts. That leaves one team to not pick Sewell, maybe they have bigger needs such as WR (Waddle, Smith) or CB (Surtain). Also it only take one team to have Slater rated higher if that is the team picking.

I'm not one that thinks 15 players are going to be gone by pick 8 like a lot around here but I am pretty confident that 2/3 (Sewell, Pitts, and Slater) will be gone by 8. Do you think 2/3 will be there at 8? We can always look back after the draft at this thread.

Poor question, the chance of all 3 being there at 8 is slim. Every year the huddle argues who they want out of guys that most likely won’t be there . Better question would be Slater, Smith, Parsons, or Surtain?

If two say a 3rd then that means someone will probably have to give a second.

I think most of us agree that the Jets went out of their way to tank last year. You don’t tank for a OT or WR, you tank for a new QB. They missed out on Trevor but I think they like QB2 enough to continue with the plan. Personally I would think it would take an obscene offer for them to trade down.

Lance is still in the picture if someone doesn't trade with Atlanta. Problem is Atlanta could easily refuse to trade with us, so we are at their mercy to some degree. Also where are all of these people who said QBs wouldn't go as early and often as some of us predicted?

It’s grown on me. It has a very Euro soccer team feel to it, makes it different.

What if he was good and under 6’, would you pay him then? A good player is a good player, his height might be reason he is good or bad but by itself it doesn’t tell you anything and using it as a singular metric to decide on a player is poor evaluation.

I can understand passing on him, but just basing it on height? I guess you would have passed on Revis also?

If QB3 goes #3 then going to #5 might be pointless. I could see Atlanta trading down, makes a lot of sense for them, and I don't see them trading down with us. I would be somewhat surprised if 4 QBS went top 4, but if 3 went top 3, I would be nervous as heck with Atlanta's spot. Also you are assuming that the team likes QB 3 or 4 equally. As fans a lot of us would be happy with any of the top 4 QBs, but there is a very good chance that a lot of teams will like one a good bit more than the others. If the team decides they like QB3 that much more than QB4 they just need to go to #3. If you are unwilling to give up the assets to do that, which is a valid argument, than just be patient but you have to be willing to accept the fact there is a chance you won't get any of the top 4 QBs.

or they believe he might be not cleared and teams are backing off, so they "leak" information to create the illusion of more interest than there really is. Either way its impossible for fans to know which reports are true and which are smokescreens.

I found this tweet by Daniel Jeremiah really interesting. Thinking back there definitely seems to be some truth to it. Also it might cause some concern about guys this year. Speaking of red flags, I'm seeing another trend I was hoping wouldn't be continued with this staff. Signing a guy and expecting (and paying him as such) to be better than he has consistently shown in the recent past is a recipe for disaster. We saw it with Kalil and Teddy. Sure seems like we are seeing it again.

I could see that, I just don't think there was much substance to, but letting other teams know that Kyle Shanahan thinks highly of your QB might create an illusion that you want to portray. Both NE(before resigning Cam) and WFT seemed to make more sense. I could have seen RR wanting a risk adverse QB, but 49ers just seemd odd. Not sure he offers much more than Jimmy G. Speaking of WFT, with them signing Fitzpatrick that is probably one less possible teams that might want Teddy.

True, but they have also had success with 2 TE sets, Hernadez and Gronk, but I do agree it does seem to favor Cam and good for him. I hope they put him in a position to succeed.

I'm not convinced the 49er interest in Bridgewater was legit. Seems a bit like news put out to create a market. "If the 49ers are interested maybe we should be also" Don't get me wrong, would love to be true and could be possible, but this time of year you can't believe everything you read.

Just another reason we should have been frugal last year.

Whether or not his receivers are open is irrelevant. An accurate pass is an accurate pass, doesn't matter if if the CB is 1 foot away or 2 yards away. That is why you don't box score scout. Does he face less pressure than most QBs playing for Alabama? Of course, but I'm sure there is some tape of him facing pressure. Any good scout has the resources to filter out certain plays. Here again this is why you scout by watching film and not the box score or you use advance metrics that can tell you how he actually does under pressure, or how many throws are accurate and just not complete. A player not having to do something isn't the same as a player not being able to do something. Herbert showed that last year with his ability to throw deep which was something he didn't show in college. Throwing to open receivers isn't' a negative by itself, it doesn't prove that he can't make tight window throws, it just limits the amount of tape of him doing so. Personally I haven't watched him enough to know, but hopefully our scouts have.

The Saints are trolling people and they are falling for it.

I agree if I’m the Texans I’m wanting a haul. I was just curious to what you would actually give up. 3 1st, no players?

I agree to a point. It’s hard to know how much is too much. What would be your top offer?