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Exactly, a lot of people around here said Darnold wouldn’t prevent you from taking a QB you really like. That’s a true statement. Wasn’t a QB at 8 we really liked that much. Not sure why that concept really bothered you so much. Did some fans like Fields enough to take him with Darnold here? Yes. Did you? No but those are opinions, and your opinion could totally be right, time will tell. but saying Darnold prevents you from taking a QB you really like is an absolute statement that isn’t true

At this point draft a guy that worse case can play RT, best case LT. between him and Moton you hope one of them can.

And nobody could blame him. Teddy was a colossal mistake, and now if Fields turns out good and Darnold does not then I could see any owner becoming frustrated.

Do you think we would have passed on Trevor or Wilson?

The dumb narrative is that Darnold would have prevented us from taking a QB we really liked. The only thing passing on Fields and Jones tells us is that we really didn’t like them. If Trevor or Wilson would have fell do you honestly think we would have passed because of Darnold. Maybe even Lance, who knows where we really had him ranked. The team signed Darnold because they felt like he is was their best realistic option, doesn’t mean he is was their 1st or even 3rd choice. Not really that complicated of a concept. He has tools, let’s see what the staff can get out of him.

I’m going to try to be positive here. I understand a lot of people wanted Fields. I would have considered him myself, but for whatever reason the team wasn’t that high on him. A lot of us wanted Sewell, but he was gone. A lot of us would have liked to trade down, no idea what type of offers they had. If you take QB or trading down out of the equation, we got a really good prospect at a high value position that was also a position of need. Outside of Fields or trading down, who would you have really preferred?

Some of us tried to tell you all at the beginning of draft season that Trey was rated very high among the people that mattered.

Or you trade down with your 1st or 2nd and pick up an extra pick in that range.

Nope, the trade makes sense, and we will save a little bit of money. Looks to be a good trade for Denver, if his salary is only $3m this year. Also looks like this 2022 salary voided as part of the deal according to www.spotrac.com . That might mean if he walks they might get a comp pick for him. Teddy Bridgewater Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac They gave up a 6th round pick for Teddy at $3m and they might get a better pick back if he walks. That is how you do a "bridge" QB.

There is nothing to disagree with, you are looking at cap space relative to what would have been his cap cost for this year and next if he would have stayed on the team. My post is stating how much we paid him for his one year of play. If we are really responsible for $7m this year we will spend $31m for his one year of play. $24m has already been paid to him, and it looks like we will have to pay him $7m more.

If you bypass on the QB and he turns out good you screwed up big time even if you are correct on the other position if you are current guy doesn't become the guy. There is no perfect answer here because we don't know who is going go be right. What if the LT doesn't work out, and you passed on a QB that does, that is even a bigger screw up. At the end of the day all you are doing is playing the odds. Are you willing to take a chance with a 30% QB to take a 90% LT or would you prefer to take a 60% QB to compete with your 30% QB, and yes I made all of those percentages up, but really that is all the teams are doing. The payout for being right about a QB is exponentially higher than that of any other position. Evaluating players is nothing but trying to figure their chances of success. There is a very good chance the team might be willing to take OT1 over QB3, but maybe they would take QB3 over OT2.

Looks like we are going to eat $7m of Teddy's contract this year. That would bring the total cost for 1 year of Teddy to $31m. $8m in 2020 salary, $1m in workout and game bonuses. $15m signing bonus. $7m of guaranteed salary this year we are turning into another bonus. Teddy Bridgewater Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap Also we lost a 3rd, from missing out on a comp pick, but we did get a 6th back. Hindsight is always 20/20 but fair to say it was a terrible decision.

But would we have traded with the Dolphins to 3 if the price would have been to our liking? That makes me think there are 3 QBs we like. Would we have preferred trading to up to 3 over Darnold? Which happened first? What if the player we were willing to trade up for falls to 8? Do they consider him then?

That’s what most of the other people in here are saying also. They are not saying what the team will do but what they think the team should do. Would you take Trevor with Darnold already on the team? Would you take Trevor or Wilson with Darnold already on the team? Would you take Trevor, Wilson, or Fields with Darnold already on the team? Would you take Trevor, Wilson, Lance, or Fields with Darnold already on the team? My guess is you might do the first 2. I would probably do the first 3. Some others would probably do the first 4 options. A lot of us are saying the same thing, we just have different thresholds where we change our mind.

If our coaching staff had influence in signing Teddy, maybe we should let Tepper pick the QBs. Seriously though, Idon’t think Teoler is there playing fantasy football with the team making every draft pick. Although, it would be naive to think that most owners don’t have considerable input with top-10 picks, especially if a QB is involved.

That all seems logical but one thing does make me think otherwise...maybe It’s been reported that we looked into trading up to 3. If we wanted to go to three that tells me we like QB3. Early in the process most people assumed QB1 and QB2 were doing 1 and 2 in the draft. Trading up to 3 for QB2 would have been stupid.

He might not be “just in case” but he might have been the 4th option. I think we can all agree that the team was determined to move on from Teddy. 1st option was probably Watson 2nd option was probably Stafford 3rd option was probably drafting a guy they really like. None of us know for sure who is on that list of who they really like (for sake of argument let’s say Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields). Maybe once San Fran moved up we came to the realization that the chance of one of the guys we really like being available was very small. 4th option: trade for Darnold 5th option: drafting a guy we aren’t as high on such as possible Jones or Lance Trading for Datnold shouldn’t prevent you from taking one of your better options if by the small chance they become available. Would you pass on Trevor if he he fell to 8 or Wilson? By your logic you would since you spent resources on Darnold.

Then you define clean pocket and accurate throw, watch all of his snaps and then all of the snaps of all of the other QBs and get back to me. Until then you are just arguing any stat that doesn’t agree with your wishful thinking with baseless disagreement without offering any kind of concrete stats to prove your point. Are you actually trying to say he is more accurate than most of the other QBs in the league from a clean pocket? if so I would love to see what you are basing that on.

We are talking about a stat from PFF not their grades. I understand fans thinking their grading is very subjective but a stat like this is pretty straight forward. Of course there could be a little subjectivity in defining "not under pressure" and accurate throw, but that subjectivity for the most part will be applied uniformly across the league. What really amuses me is that all of the people defending him probably really haven't' watched many of his snaps. Go back and watch coach's tape, there is plenty of times when he doesn't have pressure and his receivers are open that he just misses his guys. The "eye test" matches up with the stat I referenced. I'm not trying to totally bash him, I actually think he has talent and tools. Personally I like the trade for him more than the deal with did with Teddy. I think there is less risk and the chance for a higher reward. The fact is he is going to have to improve himself to become the QB that fans around here want him to be. Better play calling and talent around him will help but his personal play will need to improve also. Not really a hard concept to understand. Hopefully our coaching staff will help him achieve that. Also I don't think he prevents us from drafting another QB in the draft. Once Watson had the off the field issues, Stafford went to LA, and San Fran traded to 3 I think our front office realized there was a very good chance we might not get a QB we really liked in the draft or free agency and for whatever reason we were determined to move on from Teddy.

Exactly. People keep using some of the same arguments to defend Darnold, mainly the talent around him and the pressure he received, but there are stats out there that are somewhat concerning. Here is an article about some of those Why it would be a mistake for the Jets to stick with Sam Darnold | RSN (nbcsports.com) For those too lazy to read one stat the quote that makes me nervous is that Darnold, with a clean pocket, was 30th in the league in accuracy and 33rd in adjusted completion percentage. I don't care who your OC is but if you give a good QB a clean pocket you expect better than that. Honestly that does match some of what I've seen on coach's tape, I will admit I haven't watched every game of his. On the plus side, I was somewhat pleasantly surprised with his athleticism, I had not watched many Jet games before we had traded for him. Also he definitely does have some arm talent, although the interceptions are concerning. For him to successful here he is going to have to improve himself. Its not just as easy as calling better plays or putting better players around him, both of those things will help, but there is going to have to be some growth in his own game.

More times than not most of the trades are fairly close to the JJ chart. Of course sometimes a team will pay a premium, especially if a QB is involved. For example I could see Atlanta receiving a premium for the 4th pick if the draft fell a certain way. What i find interesting is that most studies that I have seen favor trading down, even with the JJ chart which as you say values top picks less. Of course there are exceptions but overall history tells us trading down is better. DG use to say he didn't want to trade a quarter for 2 dimes. In reality you are probably trading a 15 cent piece for 2 dimes.

“Best player available that helps your team win” not sure why people overthink the BPA vs need argument Also what Jimmy did well was move up and down (more often down) to chase need and also get value.

Nice work, very logical mock. Cincy goes Sewell Miami goes Pitts Pick 7 goes QB Do we go Chase or Slater I really haven't thought about Chase being there at 8, but if 5 QBs go top 8 it is a possibility.

Happened with Russel Wilson... Seriosely though, if I had to bet I would agree with you that we probably aren’t interested, but to make absolute statements is asinine at this time of year.

Or they are trying to create the illusion that they aren’t interested so other teams might not feel the need to jump ahead of us in the draft. this time of year you really don’t know for sure