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Is he quick to make changes with players others have brought in or himself? I was shocked how quick they gave up on Teddy, will he be the same with Sam?

At that point in the draft they probably didn’t feel like there was a sure fire LT. Also there is a lot of value in a guy who might be able to be a quality OT3. At some point during the season it’s likely one of the starting tackles misses a game.

maybe, but it doesn't have to be Moton LT/BC RT for it not to be Cam/Scott at LT. The starters can be LT Cam/ RT Moton and Moton can still be the backup LT.

Never underestimate draft position. Early round draft picks have to prove they don't belong, late round draft picks have to prove the do.

I'm definitely not saying he is going to make the roster, but he might have bought himself another week wish a decent performance.

as opposed to? I doubt many people here took the time to watch Aaron Monteiro on every play. Half the fans here probably don't' even know who he is. I'm not saying PFF is perfect, far from it, but most fans do nothing but watch the ball. They see highlights and lowlights.

Not much detail but a few things i found interesting. What we learned about every NFL team in Week 1 of the 2021 NFL preseason | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF Kenny Robinson played great. Aaron Monteiro played really well in the run game, from what I could tell played LG and RT. Might want to keep an eye on him next game. Could he sneak on the 53? If so, somebody surprising isn't making it. Actually played 59% of the snaps. Snap Counts: Panthers at Colts in preseason opener BC lost 4 out of 34 reps in pass protection, is that good or bad? Brown didn't lose any out of 14. D-line was bad against the run. Haynes played well against the pass. LB's struggled. Hubbard ran well, caught terrible. Taylor and Pride struggled.

Hardy is a good reminder that college production doesn't always equal success at the next level. You have to have traits that translate at the next level.

People need to remember huge difference between what some teams expect out of LG and RG. Depending on scheme can be a lot more pulling for LG.

Everyone just needs to patient. People are in such a hurry for him to contribute they want him moved all of the place. Staff thinks he has RT potential. Give him time to learn. Last thing he needs is to be bouncing all over the line.

You don’t even have to trade him. Decker is under contract for 4 more years, Sewell is cheap for 4 years. Once Deckers contract is up you pay Sewell and hope you have a new rookie to fill the other tackle spot. you keep both OT spots strong and you are only having to pay one big contract. It is how every team should be doing it.

So one minute this fan base complains because we don’t value OTs enough but then make fun of the Lions for drafting one when it isn’t their top need. OTs are hard to find, OTs are expensive, OTs are important, I won’t fault a team for drafting a guy that a lot of people considered the one they drafted a generational talent at that position. You can find a WR later, think about it, even if you are willing to spend big in free agency there isn’t a guarantee you can find a very good OT. Most years there are several quality receivers on the market.

Totally agree. Even Brown as the first pick last year. Quickest improvement for defense. Hope Teddy can make the offense good. Win quickly. Slow fix would have been drafting an OT last year, Wills, Becton or Wirfs, starting Grier during the season, then drafting a QB this year. At worst Fields or good chance we are drafting nigher and in play for QB1-3.

With a rookie you get 4 cheap years, we only get 1. The pro-Sam guys like to point out that maybe the coaches feel like he has the same chance as these rookies to actually be good, but with the rookies the reward is higher if they turn out good because of the cheap future years. You have to include that in your risk reward analysis.

If you are going to be bad you mind as well do it as cheaply as possible also.

Everyone wants to pick on the Greg Little pick, which I get. I wasn't a huge fan of him as a prospect, and I definitely didn't like trading up for him, but at least they tried to draft a tackle in a early round. You have to take your swings which we have done very little of in the past. Also not to defend Hurdy but there were others out there that had a round 2 grade on him. Greg Little Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com With that being said the senior bowl practices were concerning, but our overall lack of picks at the O-line position is the main problem, you are always going to have misses.

Also people forget about the run game. Moton is really good at that aspect and that also might factor into keeping him on the right. A lot of run plays are designed to go strong side which is usually the right.

I wouldn't mind seeing Moton on the left either but I'm not sure that solves our problem automatically. I get it that RT can be easier to play than LT but are we sure we have a great RT to take his place? or even an average one? The overall line might not improve as much as some think For example lets use a 1-10 scale to illustrate this RT-Moton-9 and current LT is a 3 lets say Moton isn't as good on the left and a different RT is only a 5 RT-whoever-5 and LT-Moton is an 8 I know a lot of people were hoping BC would be starting somewhere, even at guard, but maybe its a good thing they seem to be keeping him at RT. Maybe they hope he can become that above average RT. Also there are more problems on the line than just LT.

I can understand not drafting Slater at 8, some had their doubts about him playing tackle, but 2020 might be the year we regret. There were 3 tackle prospects available with our first pick that graded out well.

Beason wasn't traded for 3 weeks earlier. Its not that they thought Fields had a 100% chance and Darnold had a 20%. They probably thought they both were fairly close in chance of being successful.

Maybe, but there was talk that we talked to Miami about going to 3 and you don't trade up to 3 for a non-QB. Also you don't go to 3 hoping one of the top 2 QBs fall to you. Regardless of what the Jets were saying everyone assumed QBs were going 1-2 in the draft. I think there is a very good chance we had 3 QBs we liked. Also San Fran traded up to 3 at end of March. We traded for Sam beginning of April. Once San Fran went to 3 we pretty much knew best case we would end up with QB4 and even then that wasn't guaranteed.

exactly, once you trade for Darnold your draft board changes.

who said anything about can't miss? Cam wasn't can't miss at 1. bad argument, it actually supports what I'm saying. They might have thought Fields and Darnold both had similar chances of being successful, neither were a 100%, QBs rarely are. My point was that Darnold being on the roster has a clear effect on how you approach the draft. Why are you going to waste the 8 pick on a guy that you might consider marginally better or worse or the same. If Darnold isn't on the roster then maybe you take the gamble. Here again passing on Fields by itself doesn't tell you what they thought of Fields, it tells you what they thought of Fields relative to Darnold. That's a totally different thing, but I understand that most people around here look at everything in a vacuum, which is rarely how things happen in the real world. Passing on Fields when you have Darnold in itself doesn't tell you that they didn't like Fields, it tells you that they didn't like Fields more than Darnold to the point you were willing to give up taking another player at 8. Its pretty simple logic but at this point I think I'm wasting my time trying to explain it.

and roll with Grier? I don't think so, but that is an opinion and yours might be right.

what exactly did I say that they don't support? and you never did answer the question earlier, if we had not been able to trade for Darnold do you still think we take Horn at 8?