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There seem to be questions about Robby's new contract and the effect it will have on resigning DJ. Also some people view it as a bit of an overpay. In a vacuum, maybe it is, especially if he loses targets to CMC and/or Marshal, but I think sometimes teams look at the position group as a whole when allocating resources. Lets make some assumptions and then we can run some numbers. Most reports have Robby's contract around 38m for 3 years, lets call it $13m a year for the next 3 to keep it simple. Marshall is on a rookie contract that has cap charges of 1m, 1.3m, 1.6m, and 1.8m for the next four years. Receivers 4, 5, and 6 are pretty much always going to be cheap. For example Shi and Zylstra are a little less than $1m each. David Moore is a little over $2m a year for 2 years. Here again for simplicity sakes lets say $4m a year for WR 4-6. Moore's cap hit this year is $3.6m. Cap hit next year with 5th year option is around $11m, but if we resign him it will most likely be an extension and there is a very good chance his 2022 cap hit will be lower. Even with a "huge contract" in the 18-20m range his cap hits the next 3 years could be something like $5m, $15, and then $25m Also 6 WRs are 11% of your roster. If we put all of this together the cap hit for our 6 WRs in 2021 will be around $21.6m. Based on a $182m cap that is around 12% allocation of resources. In 2022 our total cap hit will around $23.3m, which based on a $192m cap (I'll assume it goes up by $10m each year) is around 12% allocation of resources. In 2023 our total cap hit will around $33.6m, which based on a $202m cap (I'll assume it goes up by $10m each year) is around 17% allocation of resources. In 2024 Robby is off of the books but DJ is to the expensive part of his cap cost. Lets assume DJ is $20m and we replace Robby with a rookie making $1m. Total cap coast is $26.8 which is 13% of the cap based on a $212m salary cap. As you can see 2021, 2022, and 2024 are all reasonable. Really only in 2023 does our WR cost get a bit high, and depending on the contract they might could release Robby after 2022 or trade him. Point is I don't see Robby's contract automatically preventing us from signing DJ to an extension. Honestly if Marshal develops like alot of thinks the team has done really good job of layering their contracts in the WR group. What if we don't resign DJ, either he wants too much or maybe Marshal really develops, or a combination of the two. At that point resigning Robby seems even smarter. That way we don't lose our top 2 WRs in back to back years. In a vacuum I understand the argument that Robby's contract might be a bit of an overpay but at the same time the team basically just insured itself some stability for the WR group for the next 3 years.

Pretty much what I a few days ago. Look at the WR group as a whole. Marshall will be cheap for the next 4. Moore, even with an extension, will be relatively cheap for the next 2-3 years. Even is he signs a mega deal it will be somewhat backloaded like they always are. WRs 4-5-6 will be cheap vets or rookies on cheap deals. By the time Moore’s cap hits are large Robbys contract will be over. Same with Marshall, by the time you have to pay him Robby will be gone. Overall WR cap hit for the entire team won’t be too bad for the next 2-4 years, but at the same time the team has some stability there. Also if by the small chance we don’t reach a deal with DJ you have stability of knowing you have Robby for a few more years, especially is Marshall plays good.

People get too caught up in the so called alignment name. Move Burns to the LOS and call it a 4-2-5 or big nickel and it seems a lot more normal to people. Also “base” tends to be the exception rather than the rule, it has become a sub package league.

Just because he played doesn’t mean he played well.

Could be Robby, maybe a 2-3 year deal. Even if they sign DJ to an extension his cap numbers shouldn't be high for the next few years. With Marshall being on a rookie deal they might justify paying Robby for the short term.

They also projected his to go in the 2nd. Next 4 tackles off the board: Dalton Risner Max Scharping Trey Pipkins Chuma Edoga Needless to say LTs are hard to find.

Is he quick to make changes with players others have brought in or himself? I was shocked how quick they gave up on Teddy, will he be the same with Sam?

At that point in the draft they probably didn’t feel like there was a sure fire LT. Also there is a lot of value in a guy who might be able to be a quality OT3. At some point during the season it’s likely one of the starting tackles misses a game.

maybe, but it doesn't have to be Moton LT/BC RT for it not to be Cam/Scott at LT. The starters can be LT Cam/ RT Moton and Moton can still be the backup LT.

Never underestimate draft position. Early round draft picks have to prove they don't belong, late round draft picks have to prove the do.

I'm definitely not saying he is going to make the roster, but he might have bought himself another week wish a decent performance.

as opposed to? I doubt many people here took the time to watch Aaron Monteiro on every play. Half the fans here probably don't' even know who he is. I'm not saying PFF is perfect, far from it, but most fans do nothing but watch the ball. They see highlights and lowlights.

Not much detail but a few things i found interesting. What we learned about every NFL team in Week 1 of the 2021 NFL preseason | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF Kenny Robinson played great. Aaron Monteiro played really well in the run game, from what I could tell played LG and RT. Might want to keep an eye on him next game. Could he sneak on the 53? If so, somebody surprising isn't making it. Actually played 59% of the snaps. Snap Counts: Panthers at Colts in preseason opener BC lost 4 out of 34 reps in pass protection, is that good or bad? Brown didn't lose any out of 14. D-line was bad against the run. Haynes played well against the pass. LB's struggled. Hubbard ran well, caught terrible. Taylor and Pride struggled.

Hardy is a good reminder that college production doesn't always equal success at the next level. You have to have traits that translate at the next level.

People need to remember huge difference between what some teams expect out of LG and RG. Depending on scheme can be a lot more pulling for LG.

Everyone just needs to patient. People are in such a hurry for him to contribute they want him moved all of the place. Staff thinks he has RT potential. Give him time to learn. Last thing he needs is to be bouncing all over the line.

You don’t even have to trade him. Decker is under contract for 4 more years, Sewell is cheap for 4 years. Once Deckers contract is up you pay Sewell and hope you have a new rookie to fill the other tackle spot. you keep both OT spots strong and you are only having to pay one big contract. It is how every team should be doing it.

So one minute this fan base complains because we don’t value OTs enough but then make fun of the Lions for drafting one when it isn’t their top need. OTs are hard to find, OTs are expensive, OTs are important, I won’t fault a team for drafting a guy that a lot of people considered the one they drafted a generational talent at that position. You can find a WR later, think about it, even if you are willing to spend big in free agency there isn’t a guarantee you can find a very good OT. Most years there are several quality receivers on the market.

Totally agree. Even Brown as the first pick last year. Quickest improvement for defense. Hope Teddy can make the offense good. Win quickly. Slow fix would have been drafting an OT last year, Wills, Becton or Wirfs, starting Grier during the season, then drafting a QB this year. At worst Fields or good chance we are drafting nigher and in play for QB1-3.

With a rookie you get 4 cheap years, we only get 1. The pro-Sam guys like to point out that maybe the coaches feel like he has the same chance as these rookies to actually be good, but with the rookies the reward is higher if they turn out good because of the cheap future years. You have to include that in your risk reward analysis.

If you are going to be bad you mind as well do it as cheaply as possible also.

Everyone wants to pick on the Greg Little pick, which I get. I wasn't a huge fan of him as a prospect, and I definitely didn't like trading up for him, but at least they tried to draft a tackle in a early round. You have to take your swings which we have done very little of in the past. Also not to defend Hurdy but there were others out there that had a round 2 grade on him. Greg Little Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com With that being said the senior bowl practices were concerning, but our overall lack of picks at the O-line position is the main problem, you are always going to have misses.

Also people forget about the run game. Moton is really good at that aspect and that also might factor into keeping him on the right. A lot of run plays are designed to go strong side which is usually the right.

I wouldn't mind seeing Moton on the left either but I'm not sure that solves our problem automatically. I get it that RT can be easier to play than LT but are we sure we have a great RT to take his place? or even an average one? The overall line might not improve as much as some think For example lets use a 1-10 scale to illustrate this RT-Moton-9 and current LT is a 3 lets say Moton isn't as good on the left and a different RT is only a 5 RT-whoever-5 and LT-Moton is an 8 I know a lot of people were hoping BC would be starting somewhere, even at guard, but maybe its a good thing they seem to be keeping him at RT. Maybe they hope he can become that above average RT. Also there are more problems on the line than just LT.

I can understand not drafting Slater at 8, some had their doubts about him playing tackle, but 2020 might be the year we regret. There were 3 tackle prospects available with our first pick that graded out well.