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This is the problem, people keep making excuses for him. Several of us posted stats during the offseason that a lot of people just chose to ignore. Historically with a CLEAN pocket he has been bad, very bad. If you QB can't play well when things go right, that is a bad sign.

Our offense is dependent on Dan Arnold to be successful?? just think about that

I don't think they are trying purposely to just trade for CBs, just so happens that the good opportunities that have presented themselves this season have been CBs. A player like Gilmore you might can flip later for what you paid now. I seriously doubt they are turning down great trade offers for OTs just to sign the CBs.

bingo "time for me to meddle"

based on what? I would say Wirfs has been great so far and the other two have shown promise. Like I said earlier OTs take time to develop. The Wirfs and Slaters are the exceptions, you have to draft guys, give them time to develop, and even then there is no guarantee.

Everyone wants to blame the NCAA for not developing O-lineman but in reality its the same number of players coming into the league, they are just earlier in their development and teams should draft accordingly. Our problems this year should have been addressed last year or the year earlier. Everyone wants to talk about us passing on Slater this year, but last year we had the choice of Wirfs, Wills, and Becton.

That is his grade for the season, I think you need the higher end membership for individual game grades.

Out skill positions are plenty good enough for our offense to be better than they are. Play calling, offensive line play , and QB are all bigger questions marks.

I think Rhule sees the value in a franchise QB, he just thinks he can takes shortcuts to find one. Most franchise QBs follow a similar path, you draft then early and you develop them. TB didn’t work out, we will see with Sam.

If you have already decided the Saints OL is better than the Falcons why are you even looking at stats? The Falcons might not have the better perceived OL, or better OL over the past few years, but based on the stats you listed, they have played better during a small 4 game sample. I'm not looking for a magical single stat, I just said on the chart that you listed the single best metric is pressure %. Do you not agree with that? If you don't agree with that which single stat do you think is better?

You have to factor in number of attempts also or just the individual numbers lose contect. Lets put it in practice. Lets look at your way: Saints 7-12-9 (sacks, hits, hurries) Falcons 8-20-11 (sacks, hits, hurries) You could make the argument the Saints are better at pass protection. Factor in the number of attempts, pressure percentage. Atlanta 22.7% which is 14th in the league. Saints 26.4%, which is 23rd in the league. Saints are way worse. Stats without context are useless and often misleading.

Great point.

Sack, hits, and hurrys can be a bit misleading because some teams have more or less pass attempts then others. That same table has a pressure % number that accounts for that. We are actually 8th worst in the entire league based on that.

But who has been an above average pass blocker this year? Moton? Honestly Paradis might be our second best lineman, or at least playing 2nd best, if you factor run and pass block together. When Paradis gets beat it tends to be pretty spectacular, like that first sack of the last game, but honestly almost all of them have struggled this year pass blocking. Daley actually played a bit better last week at LG. I think your best chance of turning the line around is if Daley can build on that, and IF BC and Moton can stabilize the OT spots, and IF Miller gets healthy and plays better or Brown develops at RG. Lots of IFs.

Surprising, since everyone seems to think Paradis is the worst one. I thought you even said that overall Erving wasn’t nearly as bad as the interior guys. Either way what do you think is the best course of action among the options you gave?

From a development standpoint I would agree. Problem though, is with a rookie you have 3-4 years to decide if they are worth a big contract, with Sam you better have a pretty good idea after this season. What we gave up for Sam isn't that big of a deal, what we will have to give up to keep him will be a lot more. Honestly at this point I don't know if anyone knows for sure.

more dodging, as expected. Maybe you did, but all I remember is the really vague "they were all bad" type comments.

I said Paradis wasn’t our worst offensive lineman this past Sunday? Do you disagree with that? you won’t answer that

Here again, you commented on my post because you thought I was disagreeing with the OP, I explained how you were wrong and you are still trying to change the subject. Let it go And actually what I said in my post was true. Im sorry it bothers you if someone uses facts.

You specifically said I used PFF to disagree with the OP, which shows your lack of comprehension of what the OP and I said. Maybe you are just that quick to try and take shots at me. Here again I never said anything about being smarter because I read PFF I was using pressure stats to reinforce my opinion that Paradis wasn’t our worst lineman that day like a lot of people think. I actually think you, with all of your football knowledge, agree with that. Also I don’t go out of my way to appear smarter, I just happen to have informed opinions so they just happen to be right more often.

LoL You accuse me of using PFF to disagree with the OP, but when I point out how wrong you were you respond how you always do. This is pointless.

There is some validity to the idea of power vs speed, but also there were some open tackles missed and containment lost that are just bad football plays regardless of your "style".

LOL Actually PFF said pretty much exactly what Spanish said. Paradis wasn't as bad in pass protection as some think, actually we had a few players that were worse, which is also what Spanish and PFF said. Neither said he did good, just that he wasn't the worst. Spanish also said he did good in the running plays which is also what PFF said. Also is pretty clear around here that the vast majority of people around her that mock PFF have no understanding of PFF at all. We have three pages of people mocking PFF for Paradis' pass blocking, when in fact they had a poor grade him. People don't know which grade to look at. I never said PFF was a authority to prove Spanish was wrong, that is your misunderstanding. I listed their pressure counts, and would happily like to see those numbers from another source. I actually went through and tracked counts for Paradis just to see myself. As a fan I want to know who is doing the worst, not that I can do anything about it, but its what fans do. Our line is terrible, we all agree on that . Who do we as fans think is the biggest culprit? A lot of people think it is Paradis, I tend to disagree, PFF disagrees and by his post Spanish disagrees for this one day. Do you think Paradis is our worst offensive lineman?

Dodging it somemore. LOL lol, you love to criticize people's post but then you are afraid to actually have an opinion. My only point in this thread was that Paradis was not the worst lineman on that day. So if that doesn't matter to you I'm not sure why you decided to reply to one of my post to start with.

So you think Paradis did worse that Erving and Miller for the game?