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You said we don't draft BPA, we draft need. But then you said we would have took Sewell if he had been available, so based on that we should have drafted the next LT on our board, but we didn't so in fact we don't draft purely on need and we do factor in value.

To take it one step further, even if you can recognize what a good QB is there is not guarantee there will be one attainable this year. Unfortunately, that is just the reality of the scarcity of good QBs. Hopefully at the very least we don't waste more resources on a guy that has slim chances of actually helping us.

Being able to recognize what a good QB looks like might ultimately be more valuable to this franchise than his actual play calling.

but you said we draft based on need. If we would have took Sewell that means OT was our biggest need, then why didn't we take Slater? Maybe they do look at BPA some.

Would we have drafted Sewell instead of Horn because he was available? Most reports say we would have. If that was because LT was bigger need, then under your logic and we draft for need, we would have took Slater, but we didn't. We must have factored in grade.

I'm not a fan of Rhule or how things have happened either, but I don't know what people expected. When you lose an OC this is what you get. Other "rockstar" OC's don't take lateral moves, thats true for dumpster fire teams or good teams. You either sign a position coach (such as a RB or QB coach), who often is young and doesn't have actual OC experience, which has been the biggest complaint about Rhules staff, or you sign a former OC who is available because he probably failed as a HC. Alot of people around would have been happier with Bill O'Brian but he fits that same profile. Failed HC, and honestly a lot of his OC years don't look good on paper at all. Sure he looks good at Alabama but look at his Housten Teams or his old days as OC at Duke. The other option is to promote somebody already on staff but I'm not sure any of us want that. If we weren't a "dumpster fire" what pool of coaches did you think we were really going to be looking at?

Also you are trying to totally discount McAdoo by compaing that team to the previous year Giants. The offensive ranking is realtive to the other teams in the league. Alot of teams have quality #1 WRs. Also their PPG in 2014 was actually higher the games OBJ didn't play.

That is why I used YPT not YPC, that factors in Cruz's lower catch %. Their actually YPC is actually alot closer. I'm not failing at all, a player's stats don't happen in a vacuum. You can't say a RB adds an extra 1000 yards to a team on 200 carries. Another RB would have also rushing yards on those carries, you have to look at the difference between the two to decide the value the player is adding.

He averaged about 1.5 yards more a target than the #1 a year before and he got about 11 targets a game.

People need to quit taking everything said by a coach so literal. No team is pure BPA and no team is pure need. If the top 3 OTs are off the board do you still think we pick OT? I don't, and neither do you so they do look at value also. More times than not there is a player close enough in grade to justify need. My point was teams often view a small group of players in each draft as elite. Teams will sometimes ignore need somewhat to take one of those. I'm not saying we will, just that is how it happens sometimes. Also, fans think in terms of biggest need lining up with the 1st round pick. Teams go into a draft looking to fill several needs and sometimes do so in a order depending on how the draft falls.

OBJ didn't add an extra 1305 yards in a vacumm. If he wasn't there a different receiver would have received targets. You have to decide how many extra yards he produced over what his replacement would have had. OBJ defientaly helped but I think it is a bit of a stretch to attribute all of the improvement to OBJ and none to McAdoo. .

A CB sounds crazy but here is how it could happen. Fans tend to think in terms of need and rank. Basically, OT is our biggest need (non-QB) so we should take whatever OT is next on the list and available, in this case it would be OT3 on Daniel's list. Teams tend to think in terms of grade. Maybe we have a really high grade on OT1 and OT2 but a decent gap to OT3. If OT1 and OT 2 go before us they might decide CB1 is a way better value. In a perfect world you would trade down and line up value with need, but trading down isn't always easy. I'm not saying its the right move, but i could see it happening. Same thing with the safety. Any given year there is just really small group of players that teams consider elite prospects, its hard to pass on them. Do you pass on a guy that you think can become the next Sean Taylor for an OT that think has a decent chance to be above average? Here again, I'm not saying this is the correct way to draft, but its what happens.

He should be healthy by then. If you trade him after June 1st you would actually save $8.6m. Even you trade him before June 1st it would only add $4.2m to this year's cap, not ideal but not impossible to absorb. For a team trading for him his contract is actually decent, we have already paid his signing bonus. Christian McCaffrey Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac Next team would basically get him for 4yrs/44m. With only $8.1m guaranteed. Would a team trade for CMC for 1yr for $8.6m? 2 yrs for $20.4m. Since the little guaranteed money there is all in the first year it is a basically a pay as you go contract for the next team. Is $8-11m a year really outlandish for one of the best dual threat players in the league, especially for a team that thinks they are close to winning it all? To put that in perspective Robby's cap hit next year is $16.8m. Robby Anderson Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac You could almost say CMC is a bargain for someone.

We are picking 6th this year with an OL that can't get much worse, a QB that can't get much worse, and one of our best offensive weapons might play more this year. Also if you reverse our one score games this year (switch the wins to losses and losses to wins) we would have been 9-8 and probably made the playoffs. You can't reverse them, and maybe we aren't good enough to win close games but it shows how close teams are. This is college football, the line between winning and losing is a lot smaller than fans realize. I'm not saying we are going to be a good football team but I would count on us having the #1 pick.

ask me in a year

why?

yes we can

Campen is interesting also. 10 years with the same team (Packers) as an OL coach. James Campen - Wikipedia Houston Texans OL coach James Campen is featured in NFL Films segment narrated by QB Aaron Rodgers. Apparently during his time with the Packers they were the only team to have 6 different offensive lineman voted to the Pro-Bowl.

If we assume Young is going 1st I would say no. I would dare say there is a better chance of us drafting outside of the top-10 than us drafting 1st.

Everyone seems to be focused on his time at the Giants but he spent a good bit of time with the Packers. From what I can tell he was on the Packers staff from 2006 to 2013. He definitely has "NFL" experience and has been around some very successful organizations. All of that might not mean anything in the long run but at least he is the opposite of what we had. Big question for me is how much latitude he is given with the offensive staff, especially the offensive line.

Same. Fact is his resume was as good or better than most guys we could have chose from.

He spent 8 years with Aaron Rodgers and 4 with Eli Manning, at least he has been around some good QBs. Might amount to nothing but it can't hurt.

From 2006-2013 he was either the TE or QB coach for GB. I realize he didn't call plays and they had a pretty good QB but their PPG ranking those years were, 23,4,11,3,9,2,6,7. At least he has been around good offenses. I'm trying to be positive here. His first two years as an OC, in 2014 and 2015 their rankings were 11 and 13. Granted he struggled as a HC but for the most part he has always been on staff for some really good offenses.

Same could be said about hiring a NFL coach with a defensive background. One of the arguments for hiring an offensive minded coach, that you really don't have to worry as much about losing your play caller.

I really don't understand what people were expecting. When you are looking for an OC you can't really expect some other "rockstar" OC to take a lateral move, those guys are looking for HC jobs. For an OC opening your candidate pool is either ex HC/OCs who have probably done bad the past few years or unproven position coaches, such as some QB coach. I'm not saying this guy is going to work out, but he actually has NFL experience being an OC, and actually has had a few decent years doing so. Alot of these position coaches lack the actual experience that we complain about Rhule's staff not having. Eiter way none of this is going to matter if we don't improve the offensive line and get better QB play.