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I think the cost for Watson is going to be substantially higher than a lot around here are going to want to pay. I'm of the "have to have a QB camp" but there does come a point you could give up too much. Trading for Watson guarantees we get a good QB. If we trade too much it doesn't guarantee that we will have a good team though. Stafford feels like a better Teddy. Doesn't really feel like we fixed our problem long term. Best guess right now, we end up trading up to make sure we get QB 3 or 4 in the draft. We might end up trading multiple 1st to get to that 3-5 range, let alone to the Jets pick. If that doesn't work we trade back a little bit and take Jones, or go BPA and look at Newman/Trask in the second or punt to next year.

I know he sat out, and I know he has been inconsistent in the past, but if he hadn't sat out and played decently well it isn't crazy to think he couldn't have moved into the first round this year. Everyone is making a big deal about coaching Jones, but I think most teams have a pretty good idea on him, but Newman is the bigger unknown.

lol You seem to follow college a good bit. I'm not a fan of later round QBs, but what about Newman? Isn't he going to be at the senior bowl? If for some reason the first round QBs don't work out for us, any redeeming qualities?

Fans have a bad habit of lumping all 1st round picks together when talking about trades. Our #8 is a different category than Indy's 21 or Patriot's 15. Likewise our #8 is nowhere as valuable as the #2 of the Jets or #3 of the Dolphins when talking about trading for Watson.

Yes. I've said all along if we can get any of the top 4 QBS in the draft without giving up more draft capital I would be happy.

You have to look at what other teams would give when you are trying to figure out what it would take you to trade for him. There are teams later in the 1st round that would happily give up a first. For a good team, just needing a QB such as Indy, what helps you more? using your first on Stafford or Trask or Jones So if Indy or the Pats would trade their 1st what would we have to trade to move ahead of that? Our first? that would probably work but honestly that might be too much, so you offer next years first. Why would they take next years first over a current years first from another team? That is why you have to throw in the second this year. I'm not saying we should give up that much, but it makes sense that it would take that much when you look at it logically.

Ahh, my bad

That was a very smart QB making sure his team gets the FG

I agree. This idea that they are going to look worse if they don't trade him is stupid, they all ready look really bad. Letting Watson and some other team fleece them would only add to that. Watson has enough leverage to force himself out, but he doesn't have enough leverage to force them to only accept an offer from one team. Once you have multiple teams the price goes up.

Normally I take the QB over about anything, but with their cap space so bad and missing draft picks because of bad trades in the past, trading Watson might actually be the best chance to get better. I'm not sure how easy it would be to build a great team around him. If they can get lucky and find a QB in the draft (big if), this might actually work out better for them. Honestly they might be thinking the same, even though they would never admit that. I find it interesting that so many articles are coming out, almost feels like they are trying to drum up business.

Unfortunately I think its going to take a 1st, I just think ours it too high. It makes a lot of sense for a team like Indy or the Patriots or the 49ers. Spend a 1st on Stafford or Trask? Spend a 1st on Stafford or Jones? You can see why that wouldn't be too hard to convince yourself to do. In some ways it is going to be hard for us to make that trade. We might feel like our #8 is to much, but what do we give instead. Next years 1st? Honestly I think Detroit is probably wanting a first this year that they can package with 7 and move up this year for a QB. A 2021 1st probably will be more attractive for that than a future one or multiple lower picks this year. I don't think a player is really that enticing for Detroit unless they can use that player to move up, but then the team you are trading with might not player. Just seems like a 1st this year is the best currency they can want if their goal is to move up in the draft.

If I'm the Texans and I can't fix it, I'm going full reboot. Hire a cheap, young coach that will take a shorter contract. Trade Watt. Try to trade Watson for picks over players. Get a young QB in the draft. Honestly trading for someone like CMC would be stupid. They need to be looking 3-4 years out. Cap space and draft picks are what they need. Use some of your limited cap space and picks on O-line to help rookie QB develop. They actually have some decent receivers. Everything screams they should be trying to convince Watson to take a deal to Dolphins or Jets.

That depends, I don’t have that stat for the rest of his career so we don’t know for sure. Do you have that stat, if not you are just assuming? If we don’t know for sure then it’s a possibility it’s been somewhat the norm.

He is a top 8-15 QB most years. There are a lot of teams who could do a lot worse. He will definitely have a market.

because some of the middle teams, such as Pittsburg, Indy, San Fran, and Pats aren't really in position to draft one of the top QBs If you are an above average team that thinks they are a better QB away from being a really good team what gives them a better chance? using their 1st on Stafford or Trask?

This forum is going to stroke when we have to give up multiple picks and CMC just to move up to 5 to pick Lance.

this graphic isn't talking about completions, its talking about accurate passes so the separation of the receiver isn't a factor. Might not be the full story, but its a good bit.

and Texans take back his signing bonus. Also if they give away Watson for nothing their fan base is also mad. Honestly both sides stand to lose, its a game of who blinks first, but this idea that Watson has all the leverage is misinformed.

and who still thinks QBs will fall this year?

The Jets don't have to be the best. Carolina makes a good offer. Miami makes a better offer. Jets make the best offer. Watson like the Miami offer the best. Texans say we will only accept the Jets offer. Watson says "go Jets!" If he really wants out he might talk himself into it.

The ones drafted out of the 1st round didn't even get the chance to be on the list.

exactly ^ Players and coaches at that level don't get there without ego. Fans have a bad habit of forming opinions based on the agenda they hope happens. Its stupid to not think Miami and the Jets would be at least be somewhat interested. Its also stupid to think Watson wouldn't be interested. Its also stupid to not realize they could both probably put together a better trade package than us.

Their PR is already pretty bad, if they let him go for nothing they will get bad PR for that also. If anything the longer it goes the more of the chance Watson's PR looks worse.

New GM and new coach, players can change their mind quickly, especially if they were a fan of the coach before he took the job. If you are mad at an organization for not valuing your opinion, wouldn't playing for a coach you had a high opinion of and winning with said coach validate the idea that your previous team should have listened to you. If anything, going to the Jets and winning, is the best situation for him to prove everyone that he was right.

Stafford being on that list doesn't make me too happy either if we are really considering him. If a QB doesn't play well under the best situation (clean pocket) he has to bare some of the responsibility of not playing well and isn't all the coaches' fault. Expecting a QB to be something(better) that he hasn't been in the past is how in ended up with Teddy. We need to quit trying to find the bargains. Either go after Watson or draft one in the first round (trade up if needed).